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Re: Holding back the legal expertise?
Fernando Costa Pinto 2008-Nov-17 18:08:00
Dear all,
For a few weeks I?ve been somewhat away from this issue .
Life runs for everybody , and give time to this cause is to say the least
..hard.
Stress is at high level ...and we should calm down.
I also think that it is time to ask for prison for the ZKM law
breakers.Immediately.
In the beginning I thought that ZKM would approach us and ask for an
apologize. On the contrary , arrogant , they are closing over themselves.
Lets put walls around them .I want nothing but that.
Money compensation should come in second place, and should go to sponsor
WWP, a GREAT, FANTASTIC PROJECT !
We must direct our energy against them ..not against ourselves.
Anyone who comes aggressively against anyone of us , should be put aside
immediately. This is a place for gentleman's.
Personally I am not contributing with the WWP in the last months (years !!!)
as my equipment did not motivate me to put there other works. Fortunately
things did get better and in the next event I will participate again!!!!
Fernando Costa Pinto
Salvador, Bahia
Brazil
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Carsten T. Rees <
#removed#> wrote:
> Sorry again for this off-topic posting. I am ready to pay compensation
> in form of a glass
> of good wine from our region, if a member of the WWP-Community should
> choose to call
> me and drop by. And in case your are not upset by this off-topic posting,
> do not hesitate,
> call anyway and drop by, but allow me some time to cool the white wine. On
> second
> thought, let's not stop after one glass.
>
> Now then back to serious business. Well not really seroius, but rather
> absurd and surreal,
> a real good laugh after days of stress and distress:
>
> A confused member of the ZKM-Friends list has forwarded a posting on this
> list from Mr.
> Levy to me. I would like to cite the first two sentences:
>
> "This is serious and extremely important: we are currently not allowed
> to use the legal
> expertise that we paid for until its status is cleared.
>
> Anybody who had access to it as member of the task force, please refrain
> from using it or
> distributing it."
>
> What a complete bunch of rubbish and how extremely funny on the other hand.
>
> I have had my second major battle with Mr. Levy on the question, how to
> proceed with the
> expertise. Approximately two weeks before we received the expertise, I had
> suggested to
> the Task-Force to reasses our situation and discuss, whether we should tell
> the Friends
> List, when the expertise is at hand or if we should go even further and
> directly publish the
> expertise on the Friends-List.
>
> I have had to hear some personal attacks and insults from Mr. Levy, who was
> enraged that
> I thus should dare to question his leadership, when weeks before he had
> decided to keep
> his hands on this expertise. Mr. Levy wanted to have me excluded from the
> Task-Force for
> sabotage and raising this issue - in his so charming way of saying "its him
> or me, I am
> your leader, but if you should choose to decide for him, I shall lay down
> my mandate"
> (cited from memory - you remember, I have no access to any of the two
> groups, nor its
> archives). The Task-Force decided against my exclusion and also asked Mr.
> Levy to stay.
> For the sake of peace within the group I aggreed to the demand of Mr. Levy
> to neither
> publish the expertise nor to say a word of its existance to the
> Friends-List. So I must
> admit, that I wholeheartedly laughed, when I read the above cited
> sentences. There might
> by some kind of higher justice in it after all.
>
> From the very beginning of the whole affair I have told Mr. Pustejovsky,
> our laywer, that I
> was acting on behalf of an international group of Panorama-Photographers
> and Panorama
> Artists. So it was clear to me that the expertise belongs to the members of
> the Friends-
> List.
>
> But what now is the problem?
>
> After a legal check of the situation it has become clear to me, that
> according to German
> law only a natural or legal person can give a mandate to a laywer. The
> Friends-Group is
> neither. The WWP-Panorama association is a legal person by now, I am to my
> current
> knowledge a natural person.
>
> How to proceed further? I shall contact Mr. Pustejovsky on Monday to get
> this point clear.
> But perhaps this situation makes possible, what I always really wanted -
> make the
> expertise public to those, who have comissioned it in a moral sense and who
> have paid for
> it in hard coin. I would like to grant the right of personal use to every
> single person on the
> Friends-List, even to Mr. Levy and Mr. Amorth. After a certain peroid I
> would then transfer
> the co-right of the expertise to the WWP-foundation. But first I will have
> to talk to Mr.
> Pustejovsky. After my talk with him I will try to inform the friends on how
> I can proceed.
>
> Mit vielen Gr??en
>
> Carsten T. Rees
>
>
>
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