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Date/Time:2008-May-28 22:51:00
Subject:Re: Forwarded message from Globorama

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wwp@yahoogroups.com: Re: Forwarded message from Globorama Dave 360texas.com 2008-May-28 22:51:00
For the most part.. agree

For the moment let us work through the issues so as to have a 
positive settlement position with Globorama.  I re-read your comments 
and agree.  I think the Friends List will look favorably on your 
comments.

Still here  at 360texas.com


--- In #removed#, "Michael" <m-stoss@...> wrote:
>
> Hello fellow wwp-panographers,
> 
> I apologizse for joining so late into this discussion and I'm afraid
> there might be some ZKM postings which I didn't read carefully 
enough. 
> 
> Let me begin with this clip from the main page of the WWP: 
> 
> "All images will be copyright by the individual photographers. Use 
in
> any way other than viewing on this web site is prohibited unless
> permission is obtained from the relevant photographer. The overall
> site is copyright by the Regents of the University of California."
> 
> It should be clear to ANYBODY, may it be a layman in copyright 
issues,
> pros from media agencies or employees at university departments that
> what had happened was illegal. Asking the WWP organisers for their 
ok
> to use the panoramas is in vain, since it is the individual
> photographers, which hold the copyright. Yet one could ask the
> organisers for assistance to promote this project and to contact the
> individual photogaphers. This was not done. Anyhow, most - if not 
any
> - of the photographers can be reached by the displayed contact info 
in
> connection with the panorama contributions. The ZKM people had done 
a
> certain effort to keep the photographers name related to the 
panorama.
> Thank you for that. But little more had been needed to get the
> photographers consent to use the images. This was not done. Now we
> receive a statement which only reveals half of the story. Having
> noticed this trouble (obviously months ago already), a 
straightforward
> information to all of the contributers would have helped a lot to
> regain confidence into this project and the people behind. This was
> not done. The next reasonable step to do - as stated by others 
already
> - is to give us a full list of photographers which you have taken 
the
> panoramas from. From what I could see in the video, zooming in into
> the Paris region or Japan revealed LOTS of spots and I have to 
assume
> that this is true for Berlin as well. At least 2 of my own
> contributions had been indoor shootings with permission to use the
> panoramas for the WWP project only. Showing them in public - even 
for
> a limited time - could end up in court: for me, not the ZKM. So to 
get
> all this fixed I would say it would be really nice:
> 
> if the ZKM would be so kind to tell us all about the periods of 
past,
> present and future use and the means of usage,
> if the ZKM was willing to prove which photograpers and panoramas are
> involved
> if the ZKM could offer some kind of compensation for this past 
illegal
> use and 
> if the ZKM would agree into regular terms of use for a possible 
legal
> future integration into this project.
> 
> I think it is clearly the ZKM turn to take action. If we the
> photographers have to act, I would guess this will be desastrous for
> the ZKM (not saying that the photographers would benefit from 
that). 
> 
> The WWP is a non profit making project and I guess nobody 
contributing
> to it does this with a commercial intention. On the other hand I'm
> pretty sure, nobody contributing to it does want his or her work to 
be
> hijacked for some unknown purpose, nor does anybody wants to be 
taken
> for a ride with statements which reveal only a part of the truth. 
> 
> Yours,
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> --- In #removed#, "Markus Altendorff" <panoramas_de@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Due to the back-and-forth of, and some delay in the WWP 
registration
> process, the 
> > message from Globorama was sent to the admins, with a request to
> forward it to the list. 
> > To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Lintermann should by now be able 
to
> send/receive from 
> > the list, too.
> > 
> > Below is the forwarded original message.
> > 
> > Careful with the reply button. That's my mail address up there in
> the header ;)
> > 
> > -Markus
> > 
> > From: Bernd Lintermann <image2@>
> > To: #removed#
> > Sent: May 28, 2008, 12:46:36 Uhr
> > Subject: Globorama Statement
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Members of the World Wide Panorama Project,
> > 
> > first of all I want to thank you for your feedback. There is a lot
> of feedback, positive and 
> > negative, with which we are trying to deal with right now. I
> apologize for delays in 
> > answering, but I want to reassure you that we deal with individual
> replies in due course. In 
> > particular, I want to apologize for the discord caused in the WWP
> and want to address to 
> > you the following lines in order to explain the situation of ZKM 
and
> the thoughts that we 
> > had when organizing the event in Stuttgart.
> > 
> > In Stuttgart, the Globorama Project in its current version was 
shown
> to the public from 
> > May 17 to May 25. On May 25, 2008, the event was terminated and, 
for
> the time being, 
> > there is no access to the Globorama-Project.
> > 
> > Prior to the Stuttgart event, it appeared to us as that the most
> effective possibility to 
> > inform WWP-members about our idea to include WWP-panoramas in the
> Globorama 
> > Project was to contact the initiators and organizers of WWP with 
our
> request and 
> > foremostly the question if they might be so kind as to let us know
> the best way how to 
> > reach the community in order to get the permissions to include the
> panoramas. This 
> > happened on May 8, 2008.
> > 
> > Not receiving any reply whatsoever, we were pressed for time and 
had
> to decide on what to 
> > do.
> > 
> > The purpose of the event in Stuttgart was to attract young people 
to
> technical education 
> > and professions. Visitors had to pay no admission fee, and the
> exhibitors - educational 
> > institutions such as Universities - were receiving no money for
> their presentations. It was 
> > a purely non-commercial and educational event.
> > 
> > Therefore, and since the manner of access to the images is close 
to
> the way it is handled 
> > in Google Earth, which shows a preview of the panorama within the
> application itself, we 
> > assumed, that displaying images with crediting the authors of the
> panoramas would be 
> > acceptable for you. Unfortunately, as can be seen by your 
comments,
> this assumption was 
> > wrong and some of you felt that their rights were abused and they
> did not want to 
> > contribute to the Globorama project under the given circumstances.
> > 
> > We also did not want to offend anybody when permission was assumed
> without feedback. 
> > Meanwhile, a new document was sent to the individual e-mail
> addresses in which this 
> > "silent consent" is erased.
> > 
> > Any future presentation of panoramic images in Globorama will only
> happen with the 
> > explicit permissions of the photographer/ panographer. In 
Globorama,
> the panoramic 
> > images are regarded as personal/ individual views on different
> locations all over the 
> > globe. As a cultural/ educational institution, we are in no manner
> whatsoever interested in 
> > making money with it or taking over any of the images' authorship.
> > 
> > 
> > We want to apologize for the discord caused.
> > 
> > 
> > With best regards,
> > 
> > - Bernd Lintermann
> >
>



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