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Re: Forwarded message from Globorama
Dave 360texas.com 2008-May-28 22:51:00
For the most part.. agree
For the moment let us work through the issues so as to have a
positive settlement position with Globorama. I re-read your comments
and agree. I think the Friends List will look favorably on your
comments.
Still here at 360texas.com
--- In #removed#, "Michael" <m-stoss@...> wrote:
>
> Hello fellow wwp-panographers,
>
> I apologizse for joining so late into this discussion and I'm afraid
> there might be some ZKM postings which I didn't read carefully
enough.
>
> Let me begin with this clip from the main page of the WWP:
>
> "All images will be copyright by the individual photographers. Use
in
> any way other than viewing on this web site is prohibited unless
> permission is obtained from the relevant photographer. The overall
> site is copyright by the Regents of the University of California."
>
> It should be clear to ANYBODY, may it be a layman in copyright
issues,
> pros from media agencies or employees at university departments that
> what had happened was illegal. Asking the WWP organisers for their
ok
> to use the panoramas is in vain, since it is the individual
> photographers, which hold the copyright. Yet one could ask the
> organisers for assistance to promote this project and to contact the
> individual photogaphers. This was not done. Anyhow, most - if not
any
> - of the photographers can be reached by the displayed contact info
in
> connection with the panorama contributions. The ZKM people had done
a
> certain effort to keep the photographers name related to the
panorama.
> Thank you for that. But little more had been needed to get the
> photographers consent to use the images. This was not done. Now we
> receive a statement which only reveals half of the story. Having
> noticed this trouble (obviously months ago already), a
straightforward
> information to all of the contributers would have helped a lot to
> regain confidence into this project and the people behind. This was
> not done. The next reasonable step to do - as stated by others
already
> - is to give us a full list of photographers which you have taken
the
> panoramas from. From what I could see in the video, zooming in into
> the Paris region or Japan revealed LOTS of spots and I have to
assume
> that this is true for Berlin as well. At least 2 of my own
> contributions had been indoor shootings with permission to use the
> panoramas for the WWP project only. Showing them in public - even
for
> a limited time - could end up in court: for me, not the ZKM. So to
get
> all this fixed I would say it would be really nice:
>
> if the ZKM would be so kind to tell us all about the periods of
past,
> present and future use and the means of usage,
> if the ZKM was willing to prove which photograpers and panoramas are
> involved
> if the ZKM could offer some kind of compensation for this past
illegal
> use and
> if the ZKM would agree into regular terms of use for a possible
legal
> future integration into this project.
>
> I think it is clearly the ZKM turn to take action. If we the
> photographers have to act, I would guess this will be desastrous for
> the ZKM (not saying that the photographers would benefit from
that).
>
> The WWP is a non profit making project and I guess nobody
contributing
> to it does this with a commercial intention. On the other hand I'm
> pretty sure, nobody contributing to it does want his or her work to
be
> hijacked for some unknown purpose, nor does anybody wants to be
taken
> for a ride with statements which reveal only a part of the truth.
>
> Yours,
> Michael
>
>
>
> --- In #removed#, "Markus Altendorff" <panoramas_de@>
wrote:
> >
> > Due to the back-and-forth of, and some delay in the WWP
registration
> process, the
> > message from Globorama was sent to the admins, with a request to
> forward it to the list.
> > To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Lintermann should by now be able
to
> send/receive from
> > the list, too.
> >
> > Below is the forwarded original message.
> >
> > Careful with the reply button. That's my mail address up there in
> the header ;)
> >
> > -Markus
> >
> > From: Bernd Lintermann <image2@>
> > To: #removed#
> > Sent: May 28, 2008, 12:46:36 Uhr
> > Subject: Globorama Statement
> >
> >
> > Dear Members of the World Wide Panorama Project,
> >
> > first of all I want to thank you for your feedback. There is a lot
> of feedback, positive and
> > negative, with which we are trying to deal with right now. I
> apologize for delays in
> > answering, but I want to reassure you that we deal with individual
> replies in due course. In
> > particular, I want to apologize for the discord caused in the WWP
> and want to address to
> > you the following lines in order to explain the situation of ZKM
and
> the thoughts that we
> > had when organizing the event in Stuttgart.
> >
> > In Stuttgart, the Globorama Project in its current version was
shown
> to the public from
> > May 17 to May 25. On May 25, 2008, the event was terminated and,
for
> the time being,
> > there is no access to the Globorama-Project.
> >
> > Prior to the Stuttgart event, it appeared to us as that the most
> effective possibility to
> > inform WWP-members about our idea to include WWP-panoramas in the
> Globorama
> > Project was to contact the initiators and organizers of WWP with
our
> request and
> > foremostly the question if they might be so kind as to let us know
> the best way how to
> > reach the community in order to get the permissions to include the
> panoramas. This
> > happened on May 8, 2008.
> >
> > Not receiving any reply whatsoever, we were pressed for time and
had
> to decide on what to
> > do.
> >
> > The purpose of the event in Stuttgart was to attract young people
to
> technical education
> > and professions. Visitors had to pay no admission fee, and the
> exhibitors - educational
> > institutions such as Universities - were receiving no money for
> their presentations. It was
> > a purely non-commercial and educational event.
> >
> > Therefore, and since the manner of access to the images is close
to
> the way it is handled
> > in Google Earth, which shows a preview of the panorama within the
> application itself, we
> > assumed, that displaying images with crediting the authors of the
> panoramas would be
> > acceptable for you. Unfortunately, as can be seen by your
comments,
> this assumption was
> > wrong and some of you felt that their rights were abused and they
> did not want to
> > contribute to the Globorama project under the given circumstances.
> >
> > We also did not want to offend anybody when permission was assumed
> without feedback.
> > Meanwhile, a new document was sent to the individual e-mail
> addresses in which this
> > "silent consent" is erased.
> >
> > Any future presentation of panoramic images in Globorama will only
> happen with the
> > explicit permissions of the photographer/ panographer. In
Globorama,
> the panoramic
> > images are regarded as personal/ individual views on different
> locations all over the
> > globe. As a cultural/ educational institution, we are in no manner
> whatsoever interested in
> > making money with it or taking over any of the images' authorship.
> >
> >
> > We want to apologize for the discord caused.
> >
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > - Bernd Lintermann
> >
>