World Wide Panorama mailing list archive

Mailinglist:wwp@yahoogroups.com
Sender:Milko Amorth
Date/Time:2008-May-27 13:20:00
Subject:Re: some research

Thread:


wwp@yahoogroups.com: Re: some research Milko Amorth 2008-May-27 13:20:00
Hi Carl,hi Willy, hi all,

Great data and effort, Carl. Extraordinary effort from you Willy. Thank  
you for that.

I had received a letter, 1 guess the 1st draft, about a week ago. I read  
it and initially thought it is not such a bad idea. When I read the  
"silent agreement option clause" I suspected a coverup. These people know  
exactly how media rights should be treated.
They work for an institute in media presentation and creation and teach  
others. This clause was an attempt to revert a mistake.

The extent of the mistake became clear just yesterday morning when i got a  
second letter , i guess the 2nd draft, from them.
In that letter was mentioned that due to input from others they had  
changed the clause. I was planning to read the list later that day to see  
if what others have and had to say about that and if it is something to  
partisipate in as a whole. I was quite surprised about the activity going  
on already. (I guess i have to log on more often from now on.)
During that day Willy skyped me and brought me up to speed on real facts.  
So i went ahead and read through this mess.

I am not new to donating artwork usage for a good cause and am usually  
open for that under certain conditions. Especially usage, duration and  
presentation being top concerns. In a case like this, a stationary  
cylindrical projection, a repurposing of media is required. Not every  
subject lends itself to do that. The physical image ratio changes  
drastcally and changes the the objective of the art creation. It is  
imperative in such a case that the creator is involved. If not, it is a  
blunt insult and disrespectful beyond measure, in my opinion.

 From what i could see from evidence and technical facts all media has been  
repurposed to cylindrical projecton and a arbitrary new horizon has been  
established. The crop ratio is far to high for equirectangular projects.  
Especially for candid close up subjects. The ratio presented (9:1) is less  
then a quarter of each EQ panorama. Moving the horizon out of center due  
to subject crop will result in a distorted projection. As it is evidend in  
some panos from Willys video. Some artwork gets a weird impression because  
of faulty projections (curving up or down due to horizon shifts).

I am appalled by their behaviour and attempt to ignore the fact that they  
have abused artwork and artist recognition. For some of the projections i  
would not be proud to put my name on it, because it has been altered by an  
amateur technician obeying to clients demands. This whole project might be  
claimed non commercial, but it is clearly not. Suppliers are commercial  
and are using this as credit to produce and commercially create a product  
with it essentially and eventually, if not already.

Carl's initiation about usage fee use sounds a good idea to me, just to  
make a point. This is huge, make no mistake. They have a lot to loose now,  
beeing in the media and all. Also suppliers affiliated with this will  
suffer from it. Knowing about it or not does not help. WWP content has  
been abused before and the latest before that was a russian travel site  
using all of the content putting their logo on every movie!
I have written them about abuse, but never got a response and could not  
find further evidence, so i thought they desisted from it.

I think it is a good idea to take some action now. First i would propose  
to lock up the qtvrs on the site. The kiosk mode beeing "false" invites  
many people to download the movie and gives a false impression of its  
further useage. This needs to stop.
I know it will not prevent theft, but raises the barrier bar and its  
intent to download to a much higher level.
People dont read the fine prints. Abuse warnings need to be with the  
credit line, unfortunately.

Further I propose 2 usage fees for settlement to be put in a fund for WWP  
issues and donations (like some toys for Don, Landis and Markus for  
compensation).
1st: a fee for images used in the past and damages done for a cease and  
desist order, or

2nd: fees for images used until to day and in the future for further  
presentation.

I would prefer the 2nd option first, just to show good will and give them  
the chance to get back out of the corner they are in right now and further  
support this technology project, conditions to be applied. Cooperation and  
consultations with artists and experts from our knowlege pool is highly  
encouraged and recommended. As some evidence shows, they could use it too.

I also would propose an action panel to deal with them on wwp contributors  
behalves:
I,ll start with:

Yuval Levy
Carl von Einem
Willy Kaemena

Anybody any thoughts on that?

Thats all for now.
Cheers, Milko




Next thread:

Previous thread:

back to search page