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Re: Re:Globorama: How big is the problem
AYRTON 2008-May-28 01:28:00
uri
Sorry but I think you were too harsh on Roberto
He did not mean to "divide" the group
I perfectly understand his point
Please do not forget the semantic differences among lots of non-native
english speakers.
And I think that we are all on the same boat since the ones that are not
professionals, and that do not understand copyrights laws, and that don't
know their rights, like my dentist wouldn't know about if she post a
panorama too.
Those will have the chance to learn that their creative images are protcted
by law.
And btw, I really do not care about groborama future
It's not up tp me to help them in future robberys.
I'm not naive to believe that they did a MISTAKE :-)
They knew they were doing something wrong and illegal
They just tought, like thousands others that the Internet is a FREE world
But it is NOT
And their whole project and exposition would have NO sex-appeal at all to
the public ...
if weren't for OUR 360º panoramas !!!
Thats is the only truth !
Or do you think people would go to see a round screen without NOTHING to
show on it ????
WE (read our panos, from "hobbies" and "professionals" and "artists" ) are
the PRINCIPAL reason of their sucess-existence.
Cheers
AYRTON
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Uri Cogan <#removed#> wrote:
> Roberto Gomez Torres wrote:
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> > First I think we should remember that the WWP panorama project if
> > formed by mainly two kinds of members.
> > Hobbie panographers and professional ones, meaning by professionals the
> > people that actually make a living from this art work.
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> > It's obvious that the most concerned and the friends leading the group on
> > this topic are the members who make a living from VR photography.
> > Many of our hobbie members are not posting, maybe do not care a lot
> > and a simple apology by these Globorama people would be enough from them.
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> It's NOT obvious. This kind of division-making may not be helpful to
> anyone. I resent the distinction that you make between the "hobbie"
> members who you say "maybe do not care a lot" and the "professionals" -
> meaning the commercial photographers among us who you label "most
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> The WWP project is not a commercial venture, so to put it simply, we are
> all artists. I used to make my living for many years as a photographer,
> now I do it for art sake only, does this make me a "hobbie"? what
> arrogance! We all care about our art, and we all need to protect our
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> > That will make it difficult to form a single unity.
> > I am on the professionals list and a simple apology, excuse or kind
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> > will NOT be enough now for me.
> > They used copyright material, without permission, used on a project with
> > lots of money investment and in public spaces.
> > I will ask for a GOOD money compensation
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> Many of the commercial professionals on this list are willing to allow
> their work to be used, gratis, for an artistic or educational,
> non-commercial use. The ZKM project appears to fit that description and
> it could be worthy of our support, but they certainly made a major,
> inexcusable and stupid mistake, using our work without permission, and
> this should not be allowed at all, but I do not suspect they had any
> criminal intent, or that they wanted to make money off our work.
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> Being vindictive, however and demanding "GOOD money compensation" reads
> to me like an angry desire to actually destroy them. If you want to try
> to do that you are of course free to do so, but count me out.
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> > Do you agree on making a list of people who want to ask for
> > compensation ? Or all of us will be on the same boat ?
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