wwp@yahoogroups.com:
Re: ZKM globorama hassle
Josh 2008-Jun-05 13:34:00
--- In #removed#, caroling@... wrote:
>
> ---------------------- Original Message: ---------------------
> From: "Josh" <wwp@...>
> > I've heard about all this on May 29. And I have read a view
> > messages today, including Don's and the reaction of ZKM. Now me, I
> > wish to cooperate with ZKM - and not fight them!
> >
> Josh, I'd like you to read ALL the messages. I'm assuming that you
meant you
> have read a few messages today. That's not enough to get the full
knowledge of
> what had happened. For one thing, are you happy with spherical
panoramas being
> cropped to cylinders of 10:1 proportion? That means that just a slim
strip
> portion of the image remains. Are you happy to have all the theme
context and
> the captions removed, with only a name retained? Are you happy to
let people who
> used images with specific one-time only rights granted be sued for
violating
> their contracts by allowing the images to be released into public
domain. Is it
> right for hundreds of panographers to lose all rights to their
images and work?
> If you read the archives from the start when we started getting
letters from
> ZKM, you will see that at first people had a reaction like yours,
"Oh we are
> getting noticed by a big art museum, how wonderful." Then gradually
over time
> you will see that people started realizing the specific violations
of their
> images, commercialization, and rights. The tone and content of the
messages
> reflects that awareness. A determination to protect ourselves
evolves. People
> want and need complete respect when dealing with an art museum such
as ZKM.
>
>
> --
> Caroling, www.wholeo.net
>
Caroling, I'd like you to put it all in the appropriate relation. Yes,
I have read more messages yesterday and today - and I am not sure if I
will go on reading. Not the parts, where some start to claim
exorbitant prices for a use of a picture.
Here in Germany I receive max 200 Euro for publishing in press. Even
in brochures they don't pay more. It is different, when used
commercially, i.e. advertising, image campaigns, etc. Then it is going
up to 2000 Euro. And in all cases I don't have much to say about how
they use my picture in scale or crop. My name is mostly told in the
imprint (not close to or in the picture).
Lately a US publisher asked me to use one my photos of Burj Dubai in a
book. What she offered me was no dollars, but 'immortality'. If I
started to argue about copyright, values and prices, she would have
taken another photo - as she can't afford it, to pay 200
photographers. I was proud to be asked and gave her the data. What
would you have done?
Is your daily situation so much different? Please describe.
ZKM has built up an experimental arts project. The project partners
have sponsors, there is money of course. But I guess there is no
budget for paying hundreds of panographers. If they knew in advance
that each use of a pano would cost them 400 - 1400 USD, they would
have gone another way: not presenting wwp panos.
What I want to say: if I decide to make a living on photography and
arts, I have to go ways that are not always commercial. Of course,
your way is your decision. But I am quite sure, that all of you have
taken pictures without payment or given them for publish with no invoice.