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Subject:Re: Future of the World Wide Panorama - Part One

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wwp@yahoogroups.com: Re: Future of the World Wide Panorama - Part One A Y R T O N 2004-Jul-27 01:06:00
Sorry for my bad english.
I know the beach boys but, I didn't remember the song.
Don't worry.
Let's go for it.
September and December,
Count on me !

Ayrton


On 26/07/2004, at 21:29, G. Donald Bain wrote:

> Ayrton,
> Sorry about the Northern hemisphere orientation. You will notice that
> Landis and I have been careful to avoid winter/summer/spring/fall in
> the names. I was actually thinking of the old Beach Boys song "We've
> been having fun all summer long...".
> Don
> On Jul 26, 2004, at 5:19 PM, A Y R T O N wrote:
>
>> First of all, Congratulations
>> -I'll try to keep participating everytime
>> -4 times a year sounds perfect to me
>> -One weekend each time, sounds good too
>> -All 3 domains are perfect, very good idea
>> -Just QuickTime is wonderfull. No ipox pls.
>> -Just remember that your idea about "all summer long" is not VALID all
>> over the world. Like here in South America now is WINTER !!! And I
>> agree with Landis  that such a wide time-event will weak the "event"
>> nature of the project.
>>
>> So Keep on movin !   :- )
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Ayrton Camargo
>>
>>
>> On 26/07/2004, at 20:09, G. Donald Bain wrote:
>>
>>> This is the first of four planned discussion documents about the
>>> future
>>>  of the World Wide Panorama. Please respond (to the YahooGroups wwp
>>>  list) with your thoughts.
>>>
>>>  Timing and Hosting
>>>
>>>  There has been a lot of enthusiasm for continuing the WWP with 
>>> future
>>>  events, and questions about whether this will be possible.
>>>
>>>  Landis and I are agreed it is worth keeping it going for the
>>>  foreseeable future. I can see at least two more events (September 
>>> and
>>>  December of this year), and probably continuing into 2005.
>>>
>>>  How Long?
>>>
>>>  The biggest factor is whether there will be continuing support from
>>>  participants. If the number of people contributing panoramas drops
>>> off,
>>>  that may be a sign that it is time to stop. We had 180 the first
>>> time,
>>>  120 the second. If we continue to have over a hundred participants
>>> per
>>>  event I will consider it viable.
>>>
>>>  A second factor is if the world in general continues to be
>>> interested.
>>>  I see no problem here -- most people out there still have never seen
>>> a
>>>  VR panorama (except maybe a tiny real estate tour). If we continue
>>> with
>>>  the same high quality and varied subject matter of the first two
>>>  events, we are guaranteed of public interest.
>>>
>>>  An aspect of this is publicity. So far we have done very well, and
>>> have
>>>  hardly been trying. I have purposely not publicized this second 
>>> event
>>>  too vigorously, until I am able to resolve some issues of bandwidth.
>>>
>>>  The third major factor is whether we will be able to get staffing to
>>>  run future events. Landis and I are committed to at least a couple
>>>  more. And there have been numerous volunteers offering to help.
>>>
>>>  We deliberately kept this project as simple as possible from the 
>>> very
>>>  beginning, to minimize the demands on the producers. We will
>>> gradually
>>>  add features in future events, but cautiously. A greater degree of
>>>  automation (on-line forms for submission, and automatic generation 
>>> of
>>>  html pages from that data) will hopefully reduce the amount of labor
>>>  necessary.
>>>
>>>  Fourth: issues of disk space and bandwidth. Luckily we have major
>>>  institutional support here - the University of California. Despite a
>>>  state budget crisis, I foresee no problems.
>>>
>>>  I was able to purchase a new server specifically for this project,
>>>  which should be able to handle very heavy traffic. The first event
>>> had
>>>  such a peak of popularity that I was obliged to take the site
>>> off-line
>>>  for several hours because it was impacting work in my department. 
>>> But
>>>  this was a local problem only, the amount of bandwidth we use is a
>>> drop
>>>  in the ocean for this huge campus. In the next few weeks I will be
>>>  working to obtain a more direct connection to the internet backbone,
>>> so
>>>  external WWP traffic doesn't impact local service.
>>>
>>>  There have been suggestions that we use a url that is less 
>>> cumbersome
>>>  than geoimages.berkeley.edu/wwp.? As long as we are depending on the
>>>  university for support, we cannot use a commercial url. It's a 
>>> matter
>>>  of quid pro quo -- Geo-Images supports the WWP, and in return gets
>>> some
>>>  credit for it.
>>>
>>>  But to forestall possible problems, I personally registered
>>>  worldwidepanorama.com, wwpano.com, and wwpano.org, all of which 
>>> point
>>>  to the Geo-Images site. We may want to start using one of these in
>>>  publicizing the site -- it's much easier to remember a short url you
>>>  have heard on the radio or read in a newspaper. Using the domain
>>>  dot-org (for non-profit organization) is more appropriate than
>>> dot-com,
>>>  which implies a commercial venture. But many people assume every url
>>>  ends in dot-com, and browsers auto-complete urls that way.
>>>
>>>  For an object lesson in why it might be necessary to register
>>>  wwpano.com when we would prefer wwpano.org, try going to
>>> http://iqtvra.com -- but be sure nobody is looking over your shoulder
>>>  at the time!
>>>
>>>  Fifth, and finally, this project needs to remain hassle-free. 
>>> Keeping
>>>  it non-commercial will help a lot. The way we have all contributors
>>>  maintain sole copyright to their work also avoids complications.?
>>>  Having only a small group in charge (so far just Landis and me) is
>>>  important. Limiting content to one media technology (QuickTime) will
>>>  avoid many problems. To put it bluntly, if it begins to take too 
>>> much
>>>  of my time, generates controversy, or stops being fun, I will have 
>>> to
>>>  withdraw my support. As I remember, that was what killed off the
>>>  Wrinkle in Time series.
>>>
>>>  How Often?
>>>
>>>  Personally, I think the world NEEDS a periodic reminder of how great
>>> VR
>>>  photography is. Hans Nyberg provides one great example per week. The
>>>  WWP can't do that, but I think a showcase of a hundred or more 
>>> images
>>>  every three months is reasonable.
>>>
>>>  The media always want something new, and you don't get much 
>>> publicity
>>>  for a new edition of an existing work. So we need to make each event
>>>  unique. I will be giving my ideas about future themes tomorrow
>>> (please
>>>  hold discussion on this topic until then).
>>>
>>>  Though each event is unique, there is great strength in a continuing
>>>  project. Each event generates a large number of links and search
>>> engine
>>>  entries. Each of these lead back to the overall project, where 
>>> people
>>>  discover the other events. People will remember "the world wide
>>>  panorama" and go back to it, even if they have not heard of the most
>>>  recent event.
>>>
>>>  Will the participants find quarterly events to be too often? I hope
>>>  not, but only time will tell. Challenging and intriguing themes will
>>> be
>>>  important in motivating ourselves. Positive feedback, in the form of
>>>  public and peer recognition, will be another factor.
>>>
>>>  It is not necessary for everyone to participate every time.? If we
>>>  have, for example, a pool of 200 potential participants, and each
>>>  chooses to participate only twice a year, we still have 100 for each
>>>  event.
>>>
>>>  When?
>>>
>>>  When Rabbett invented the "Wrinkle in Time" he chose the date,
>>> December
>>>  21, more or less impulsively. I pointed out that it was the Winter
>>>  Solstice, and he subsequently tied the "wrinkles" to the solstices
>>> and
>>>  equinoxes. We have followed this plan in the World Wide Panoramas.
>>>
>>>  I like the idea of following the solar calendar this way. It is
>>>  universal and cross-cultural. Many cultures recognize the
>>> significance
>>>  of these dates, but none can claim them as their exclusive own.
>>>
>>>  A solstice/equinox is not actually a day, it is a moment in time
>>>  (technically, a position in space). This will occur at different
>>> times
>>>  and even on different days for different longitudes (time zones)
>>> around
>>>  the earth.
>>>
>>>  The first WWP was held on a single day. This caused some problems,
>>> with
>>>  religious observance, and above all with uncooperative weather. No
>>>  doubt we missed a few potential participants because of business and
>>>  family obligations on that day.
>>>
>>>  The second WWP was more lenient. The Solstice occurred on a Monday
>>> (for
>>>  some), but the event included the entire adjacent weekend. This gave
>>>  more flexibility with the weather, and time for many of us to travel
>>> to
>>>  an official world heritage site.
>>>
>>>  I think all future WWP events should be for a weekend or more. How
>>> much
>>>  more is open to discussion. The next Equinox falls in the middle of 
>>> a
>>>  week (Wednesday, September 22) - should we designate the entire 
>>> week,
>>>  and one weekend, maybe both weekends?
>>>
>>>  At one time I proposed to Landis that the September theme be "all
>>>  summer long", and accept panoramas taken anytime since the last 
>>> event
>>>  (i.e. June 19 to September 21). He pointed out that this would 
>>> weaken
>>>  the "event" nature of the project, which is important for publicity.
>>>  Your thoughts?
>>>
>>>  ----------
>>>  These are my thoughts for today. Please post your ideas on timing 
>>> and
>>>  hosting to the YahooGroups-wwp list.
>>>
>>>  Tomorrow I will introduce the topic of "themes", which should be a
>>> lot
>>>  of fun (hold discussion of themes until then, please).
>>>
>>>  Don
>>>
>>>
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