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Re: devalVR option?
Thomas Mottl 2005-Oct-06 12:12:00
I am against it!
Why?
1. The plug in did not install on my PC, get an error message that it
is no win32 application, get a warning message that it is not digital
signed and so suspicious also I never use Active X, for security
reasons.
2. You want that there is a entire 2nd site for the devalvr ACTIVE X
plug in or
3. You want that in the future only Windows users have access to the
WWP if you are denying point 2
4. If 2 is true than why not a entire extra site for the pangea plug
in, for flash, for java for..you name it?
also I deeply believe, that when somebody is interested in the
project he will download Quicktime as he will also look at the
fullscreen pictures, so I am happy as it is now.
My 2 cents
Thomas
On 06.10.2005, at 11:33, jeffrey wrote:
> On the subject of the "disaster" 32mb quicktime/itunes download....
>
> Now that devalVR has a very decent 206k QTVR plugin, would it be
> possible for users to have the choice of downloading this plugin? I
> would imagine there are others like me, with a crappy gsm (or dialup)
> connection, where a 32mb download is just never going to happen.
>
> example of html code:
> http://www.devalvr.com/instalacion/htmlcode.txt (replacing the
> filename).
>
> Install the plugin here: http://ww.devalvr.com/install
> The player: http://www.devalvr.com/descargas/dps/player.zip
>
> I'm happy that his guy has given us a choice for playing our qtvr's,
> it's just a question of whether it's possible to easily implement it
> in an existing website.....
>
> jeff
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2005 08:11:24 -0000, #removed#
> <#removed#> wrote:
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>
>
>>
>> There are 15 messages in this issue.
>>
>> Topics in this digest:
>>
>> 1. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>> 2. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>> 3. Re: optimal viewer size
>> From: Richard Crowest <#removed#>
>> 4. Re: Inside a Telescope
>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>> 5. Re: Inside a Telescope
>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>> 6. Re: Inside a Telescope; plus: please check my contribution
>> From: "Richard Crowest" <#removed#>
>> 7. Password Retrival
>> From: "Bo" <#removed#>
>> 8. Re: Inside a Telescope
>> From: Bernhard Vogl <#removed#>
>> 9. back again
>> From: G. Donald Bain <#removed#>
>> 10. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>> From: yuval levy <#removed#>
>> 11. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>> From: Uri Cogan <#removed#>
>> 12. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>> 13. Re: Inside a Telescope
>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>> 14. Best of?
>> From: "northwest_omnipresence"
>> <#removed#>
>> 15. Re: Best of?
>> From: Thomas Mottl <#removed#>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:48:39 -0000
>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>
>> no.. I think it could be improved to become a true global experience.
>>
>> I think that everybody should have the option to have their own
>> profile
>> and image description in their own native language.
>>
>> And provide a download link of Quicktime to apple's localized
>> download
>> pages (could be implemented to the current localized wwp pages very
>> fast I think), like
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/de/quicktime/download/ (German)
>> http://www.apple.com/fr/quicktime/download/ (French)
>> http://www.apple.com/es/quicktime/download/ (Spanish)
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:20:43 +0200
>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>
>>
>> On 5/10-2005, at 10.48, christian stehle wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> And provide a download link of Quicktime to apple's localized
>>> download
>>> pages (could be implemented to the current localized wwp pages very
>>> fast I think), like
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/de/quicktime/download/ (German)
>>> http://www.apple.com/fr/quicktime/download/ (French)
>>> http://www.apple.com/es/quicktime/download/ (Spanish)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Only the french download page is in French.
>> Just the headline is in German and Spanish
>>
>> Same for the standalone player.
>>
>> I could perhaps see an idea in it if we had a lot of japanese viewers
>> I believe french and japanese are the only download pages which uses
>> local language.
>> http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/download/standalone.html
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> Hans Nyberg
>> commercial photographer
>> hans nyberg fotografi
>> hasselvej 6 DK-8550 ryomgaard denmark
>> <http://www.hans-nyberg.dk>
>> <http://www.qtvr.dk>
>>
>> <http://www.panoramas.dk> Panoramas.dk - Features Fullscreen QTVR
>> email: #removed#
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:35:03 +0100
>> From: Richard Crowest <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: optimal viewer size
>>
>> Like Bruce, I've been following the debate about resolution and
>> viewer size
>> with interest, but also with a bit of confusion. Troy, I have a
>> suspicion
>> that what you're striving for is something that you can't actually
>> achieve.
>> I'll explain why I think that, but there are many people on the
>> list who
>> know a darn site more about this whole subject than I do, so
>> please correct
>> any mistakes or invalid assumptions I make.
>>
>> Troy, in your message on 29 September you said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Now, "if" I wanted to keep the maximum angular resolution my lens
>>> can
>>> produce the Equirectangular Spherical image would need to be 7272
>>> wide. Quite large.
>>>
>>> So now I have this 4000x2000 Equirectangular Spherical image and I
>>> want to display it at the images angular resolution of 11.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> From my point of view, I think you're looking at this problem back
>> to front.
>> For example, if I print a digital photo, I don't start by thinking
>> "how big
>> do I need to print this to reproduce every pixel in the image file?".
>> Instead, I think "how high do I need the resolution of the image
>> file to be
>> to print a good quality image at the size I want?". With
>> panoramas, what I
>> want to achieve is a high-quality rendering of the panorama at the
>> field of
>> view that gives a pleasing framing of the image and at the window
>> size I'm
>> trying to achieve.
>>
>> In both these cases, it's surely always best to start with as much
>> resolution as (a) your equipment will produce and (b) you can process
>> without causing your computer to grind to an inelegant halt.
>>
>> Bear in mind that, when viewing a panorama, the original image has
>> already
>> been through a minimum of two remappings (three if you're using a
>> cubic QTVR
>> projection):
>>
>> 1) The original photo is remapped to remove the lens distortion
>> and enable
>> it to be stitched into a cylindrical or equirectangular image.
>>
>> 2) The cylinder (or equirectangular image in PTViewer, for
>> example) is
>> projected onto a virtual 3-D cylinder (or sphere) within the frame
>> of the
>> viewer.
>>
>> 3) If you use cubic QTVR, the equirectangular image is first
>> remapped onto
>> the six cube faces, and these images are mapped onto a virtual 3-D
>> cube in
>> the viewer. (It would be possible to avoid this extra step if you
>> could
>> shoot two 180-degree fisheye images perfectly in line, then
>> process them
>> with Ken Turkowski's DeFish and join the sides together, but alas
>> I haven't
>> found a pano head that's up to that job yet...)
>>
>> All of these remappings involve interpolation (by which I mean
>> changing the
>> pixel map such that some of the new pixels will be based on an
>> average of
>> some of the old ones). The original pixels you shot with your
>> digital camera
>> never make it to the viewer window.
>>
>> Now, think about looking at a cylindrical QTVR. The part in the
>> centre of
>> the frame is parallel to you, so if the viewer was displaying the
>> same
>> angular resolution as the cylindrical image, you would indeed have
>> a 1:1
>> pixel ratio in the very centre of the viewer. But as you move
>> towards the
>> edges, the cylinder is curving around you, so you're effectively
>> looking at
>> the image at an angle. There's remapping and interpolation going
>> on, though
>> you're not aware of it. The only way to avoid this is to turn off
>> the QTVR
>> correction, in which case you lose any sense of space, and you're
>> just
>> scrolling a flat photograph behind the viewer frame.
>>
>> It's even easier to envisage the situation with a cubic QTVR. If
>> you have
>> one of the cube faces parallel to you, fine. But now pan through
>> 45 degrees
>> - you're looking into a corner of the cube, so the images you're
>> seeing are
>> both at 45 degrees to you, and being heavily remapped and
>> interpolated.
>>
>> Ken, in your message on 2 October you said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> These make it easier to determine an "optimum" presentation, when
>>> used
>>> in conjunction with the other calculators. In particular, if you
>>> deteRmine the angular resolution of a panorama with
>>> http://www.worldserver.com/turk/quicktimevr/panores.html#PanoRes
>>> you can use this to help determine the window height or FOV so
>>> that the
>>> resolution of the window equals that of the panorama (i.e. 1:1
>>> zooming).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I notice you put the word "optimum" in inverted commas. Would I be
>> right in
>> thinking that you mean the optimum balance between image quality
>> and file
>> size - i.e. a view that presents all the detail available in the
>> source
>> image, but if you were to zoom in you'd force the QTVR system to
>> interpolate
>> pixels that aren't there in the original? In other words, you can
>> use this
>> calculator to choose the maximum window size or minimum FOV for your
>> panorama that will make use of the image data you have available.
>>
>> What I'm getting at in all this is that I've never created a QTVR
>> that looks
>> great at one zoom setting, but then suddenly degrades if I zoom
>> OUT a bit.
>> In fact, I find higher resolution panos tend to look better while
>> panning -
>> they seem to suffer less from the curved lines in the viewer
>> window caused
>> by the remapping, but that's only my subjective opinion.
>>
>> Finally, I think I'm arguing for getting as much resolution as you
>> can into
>> the permitted file size. Then choose the field of view that gives
>> you the
>> best sense of 'being there'. If there's 'spare' resolution in the
>> image, the
>> viewer will be able to zoom in, but the default view won't suffer.
>>
>> I'm no expert, but I've tried to set things out as they seem to
>> make sense
>> to me. Now dive in and put me straight!
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:56:50 -0000
>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>
>> Hi Gerardo,
>>
>> hmm, your server may be down?
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:45:58 -0000
>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>
>> Hola Christian:
>>
>> yes, power failure all night long...
>> just starting all the machines right now...
>> hope you can see the pano...
>>
>> Saludos, Gerardo
>>
>> --- In #removed#, "christian stehle" <#removed#> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>
>>> hmm, your server may be down?
>>>
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:01:22 -0000
>> From: "Richard Crowest" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope; plus: please check my contribution
>>
>> --- In #removed#, Gerardo S?nchez <#removed#> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Here is my contribution: "Inside a Telescope"
>>>
>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Amazing. Quite apart from the quality of the photography, there's
>> that
>> tantalizing "how did he do that" aspect to the whole thing. How did
>> you light it, Gerardo?
>>
>> I love the metalwork - despite the high-tech CCDs, the battered metal
>> gives it the air of something from a 1950s sci-fi movie.
>>
>> I've finalised my contribution now - if anyone has a chance to
>> look at
>> it, could they confirm that the sound is working for them? There are
>> four hotspots that trigger sounds when clicked - some of the sounds
>> are fairly quiet. Small and full-screen versions are both on my site,
>> to save the prep server:
>>
>> http://corvidae.co.uk/panoramas/fudge.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:55:40 -0700
>> From: "Bo" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Password Retrival
>>
>> Guys, (maybe Marcus in particular?)
>>
>> For some reason I seem to forget my user Id and password between
>> each shoot,
>> is there a simple way to retrive this...?
>>
>> Sincerely Bo Lorentzen
>>
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:57:48 +0200
>> From: Bernhard Vogl <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>
>> Hello Gerardo
>>
>> This is an amazing view. Would you like to tell something about the
>> diameter of the tube where you shot the pano? It looks as if you
>> used a
>> flash inside - no problems for the mounted CCD's?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Bernhard
>>
>> Gerardo S?nchez wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
>>>
>>> (It is at the WWP preparation server too)
>>>
>>> Saludos, Gerardo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:03:01 -0700
>> From: G. Donald Bain <#removed#>
>> Subject: back again
>>
>> Hello everyone. I returned from my field trip late Sunday night, and
>> have since been catching up on work (and sleep).
>>
>> I am glad to see that the WWP is flying very well on auto-pilot.
>> Thanks
>> to everyone who has helped answer questions and solve problems.
>>
>> Three more days to prepare your panorama and submit to the site. Be
>> sure to write a good caption explaining what, where, and why, and if
>> necessary how it relates to the theme of "energy".
>>
>> Also, make a fullscreen version if you possibly can.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: yuval levy <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>
>> --- christian stehle <#removed#> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> It would be ok to have an international english
>>> version and then one
>>> additional version in the photographer's native
>>> language (as option only maybe).
>>>
>>> I think that it is also useful to link to the
>>> localized Quicktime
>>> Download pages instead to the english version only .
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> from the replies I read to your request it seems that
>> everybody focused only on the QuickTime download
>> page...
>>
>> I think proper localization would be an asset, but it
>> requires careful thinking/planning and a lot of
>> sleepless nights for Markus. Site reengineering.
>>
>> Localization means the user interface (navigation,
>> explanations, etc.) in multiple languages. The default
>> language should be auto-negotiated by the webserver (I
>> assume it is Apache) based on the HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
>> that is supported by most if not all current browsers,
>> with a default language English. Do not use IP
>> addresses / geolocation to determine language, it will
>> only irritate the viewer.
>>
>>
>> So far for the easy part. The difficult part is a
>> database re-engineering on the prep server: each text
>> field should be attached with a language code and
>> rather than having just one text field, the
>> photographer should have one mandated (English) and
>> one or more additionals in whatever language he or she
>> wants to write. Then the prep server could generate
>> multiple localized versions of the wwp site, making
>> use of the default page there where the language has
>> not been provided by the photographer.
>>
>> Additionally, from a usability perspective, a
>> "perpendicular links" among sites of these localized
>> versions should be added, i.e. link from a page in
>> English to its translation in the other languages.
>>
>> Since the wwp production server is static, all of
>> these pages would have to be generated and stored, so
>> add one additional language = double the size of the
>> HTML files. Does the server have the ressources for
>> that?
>>
>> Probably it is possible to reuse the same media files
>> (QuickTimes, thumbnails and other images, sound) for
>> all languages. If not, this will add additional
>> requirements and probably also manual work, which
>> should be avoided. Some compromise will be required.
>>
>> Is a localzation effort important? in my opinion, to
>> be truly _worldwide_ yes. I guess in your opinion too.
>> But based on the replies to this thread so far, it
>> seems to me that there is not much interest for the
>> topic. Or maybe everybody is just busy finalizing
>> their entries?
>>
>> Yuv
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:17 -0700
>> From: Uri Cogan <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>
>> Yuval wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> So far for the easy part. The difficult part is a
>>> database re-engineering on the prep server: each text
>>> field should be attached with a language code and
>>> rather than having just one text field, the
>>> photographer should have one mandated (English) and
>>> one or more additionals in whatever language he or she
>>> wants to write. Then the prep server could generate
>>> multiple localized versions of the wwp site, making
>>> use of the default page there where the language has
>>> not been provided by the photographer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but the whole thing can become a can of worms when it comes to
>> non-European languages, particularly those that go right-to-left like
>> Hebrew and Arabic. For Hebrew for example there exist several
>> encoding schemes, but some browser/platform combinations can't
>> display the language at all. Microsoft's Internet Explorer on the Mac
>> for instance, will not display Hebrew no matter what character
>> encoding is used.
>>
>> When creating certain web pages I found it useful to display all
>> Hebrew text as graphics, but this approach may not be suitable for
>> complex pages, and re-editing such text becomes impossible.
>> --
>> Uri Cogan
>> http://www.uricogan.com
>>
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:32:14 +0200
>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>
>>
>> On 6/10-2005, at 1.51, yuval levy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> --- christian stehle <#removed#> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It would be ok to have an international english
>>>> version and then one
>>>> additional version in the photographer's native
>>>> language (as option only maybe).
>>>>
>>>> I think that it is also useful to link to the
>>>> localized Quicktime
>>>> Download pages instead to the english version only .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Sorry but with so many languages involved I think this is a very
>> difficult issue.
>>
>> If you want your own page to be also in your own language why do you
>> not make one on your own site.
>> Or write the caption short in both languages.
>> I am sure no one has anything against that.
>>
>> What can be of importance for you is to use keywords in your own
>> language in the title.
>> I have used that since WWP started. This can put you at the top of
>> Google.
>> For example you can find my bridge as No 1 for "Lang?-broerne"
>> And the marketplace as No 2 for "Str?get Aarhus"
>>
>> My first is Posk?r Stenhus and it is also NO 1.
>> And 2 and 3 and 4
>> because I crossslink it to my own site.
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> Hans Nyberg
>> commercial photographer
>> hans nyberg fotografi
>> hasselvej 6 DK-8550 ryomgaard denmark
>> <http://www.hans-nyberg.dk>
>> <http://www.qtvr.dk>
>>
>> <http://www.panoramas.dk> Panoramas.dk - Features Fullscreen QTVR
>> email: #removed#
>>
>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:18:56 -0000
>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>
>> Hi again...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> tantalizing "how did he do that" aspect to the whole thing. How did
>>> you light it, Gerardo?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> As you can image there are no lights inside the telescope!
>> When you close the door there is really dark in there.
>> I used a hand-held lamp behind the camera with a 60 wats
>> light bulb (I like the "warm Sun" feeling it has). The problem
>> here is I need to be sure every shadow has a coincidence
>> at the same place for every shoot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I love the metalwork - despite the high-tech CCDs, the battered
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> metal gives it the air of something from a 1950s sci-fi movie.
>>
>> Yes, it is!! Telescope was build in 1955 by Askania in
>> Germany. Optics is still "best of the best", the optic
>> detector for that time was glass photographic plates
>> 45 centimeters long.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Would you like to tell something about the
>>> diameter of the tube where you shot the pano?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The aperture of the telescope is 1 meter, the mirror
>> is 1.5 meter.. so maybe around 1.20 (?) at the place
>> where the tripode was. You can be inside... as the
>> "Hunchback of Notre Dame" but you can be...
>> The big problem was that the telescope, at rest position,
>> is not horizontal it is something as 15? inclined, so keep
>> the tripode stand there and move the camera by
>> hand in the mirror-camera plane direction was
>> not easy...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> It looks as if you used a
>>> flash inside - no problems for the mounted CCD's?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No flash... any how in that case it is not
>> bad for the CCDs... If the camera is "on" and you
>> light in there you only need be sure you will make a
>> good CCDs clear out (several bias frames)
>> before any astronomic image.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Gerardo S?nchez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
>>>>
>>>> (It is at the WWP preparation server too)
>>>>
>>>> Saludos, Gerardo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:37:03 -0000
>> From: "northwest_omnipresence" <#removed#>
>> Subject: Best of?
>>
>> I am jumping the gun here, i know, but participating in this event
>> has
>> me feeling giddy, and now I see that the December Solstice event is a
>> best of 2005.
>>
>> I know that details will eventually be posted (as was the case with
>> this event, and i am sure as with the others) on the wwp website,
>> but "best of" conveys to me a sense of looking back at past events.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:54:11 +0200
>> From: Thomas Mottl <#removed#>
>> Subject: Re: Best of?
>>
>> Your best QTVR out of 2005, your theme, your choice, so there is no
>> looking back at past events
>> You must have taken part at one wwp event to qualify for the best of
>> 2005
>> Thomas
>>
>> On 06.10.2005, at 07:37, northwest_omnipresence wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I am jumping the gun here, i know, but participating in this
>>> event has
>>> me feeling giddy, and now I see that the December Solstice event
>>> is a
>>> best of 2005.
>>>
>>> I know that details will eventually be posted (as was the case with
>>> this event, and i am sure as with the others) on the wwp website,
>>> but "best of" conveys to me a sense of looking back at past events.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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