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Re: devalVR option?
Thomas Mottl 2005-Oct-06 19:50:00
Sure I can see nearly everything without Active X. I am only surfing
with my Mac :-). And those things I can?t see I don?t care for it, as
the provider of the infos just want to present his content to windows
users and he just did not want that I can see it. Also a plug in
which bring up a Windows XP warning, which fails to install on my
machine is for me personally not an alternative.
Cheerio
Thomas
On 06.10.2005, at 21:10, tflyfish2002 wrote:
> If you do not use Active X then for the same reasons you do not use
> Java. In which case you will never be able to see a Pano unless you
> install QuickTime. Fortunately not every one else is like you.
> Please do not take offence, I feel the same way although I download
> most active x controls and let my spyware and anti-virus system
> protect me.
>
> Barry
> --- In #removed#, Thomas Mottl <#removed#> wrote:
>
>> I am against it!
>> Why?
>> 1. The plug in did not install on my PC, get an error message that
>>
> it
>
>> is no win32 application, get a warning message that it is not
>>
> digital
>
>> signed and so suspicious also I never use Active X, for security
>> reasons.
>> 2. You want that there is a entire 2nd site for the devalvr ACTIVE
>>
> X
>
>> plug in or
>> 3. You want that in the future only Windows users have access to
>>
> the
>
>> WWP if you are denying point 2
>> 4. If 2 is true than why not a entire extra site for the pangea
>>
> plug
>
>> in, for flash, for java for..you name it?
>> also I deeply believe, that when somebody is interested in the
>> project he will download Quicktime as he will also look at the
>> fullscreen pictures, so I am happy as it is now.
>> My 2 cents
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>> On 06.10.2005, at 11:33, jeffrey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On the subject of the "disaster" 32mb quicktime/itunes
>>>
> download....
>
>>>
>>> Now that devalVR has a very decent 206k QTVR plugin, would it be
>>> possible for users to have the choice of downloading this
>>>
> plugin? I
>
>>> would imagine there are others like me, with a crappy gsm (or
>>>
> dialup)
>
>>> connection, where a 32mb download is just never going to happen.
>>>
>>> example of html code:
>>> http://www.devalvr.com/instalacion/htmlcode.txt (replacing the
>>> filename).
>>>
>>> Install the plugin here: http://ww.devalvr.com/install
>>> The player: http://www.devalvr.com/descargas/dps/player.zip
>>>
>>> I'm happy that his guy has given us a choice for playing our
>>>
> qtvr's,
>
>>> it's just a question of whether it's possible to easily
>>>
> implement it
>
>>> in an existing website.....
>>>
>>> jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 Oct 2005 08:11:24 -0000, #removed#
>>> <#removed#> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are 15 messages in this issue.
>>>>
>>>> Topics in this digest:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>>>> 2. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>>>> 3. Re: optimal viewer size
>>>> From: Richard Crowest <#removed#>
>>>> 4. Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>>>> 5. Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>>>> 6. Re: Inside a Telescope; plus: please check my
>>>>
> contribution
>
>>>> From: "Richard Crowest" <#removed#>
>>>> 7. Password Retrival
>>>> From: "Bo" <#removed#>
>>>> 8. Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>> From: Bernhard Vogl <#removed#>
>>>> 9. back again
>>>> From: G. Donald Bain <#removed#>
>>>> 10. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>> From: yuval levy <#removed#>
>>>> 11. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>> From: Uri Cogan <#removed#>
>>>> 12. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>>>> 13. Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>>>> 14. Best of?
>>>> From: "northwest_omnipresence"
>>>> <#removed#>
>>>> 15. Re: Best of?
>>>> From: Thomas Mottl <#removed#>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:48:39 -0000
>>>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>>
>>>> no.. I think it could be improved to become a true global
>>>>
> experience.
>
>>>>
>>>> I think that everybody should have the option to have their
>>>>
> own
>
>>>> profile
>>>> and image description in their own native language.
>>>>
>>>> And provide a download link of Quicktime to apple's localized
>>>> download
>>>> pages (could be implemented to the current localized wwp pages
>>>>
> very
>
>>>> fast I think), like
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/de/quicktime/download/ (German)
>>>> http://www.apple.com/fr/quicktime/download/ (French)
>>>> http://www.apple.com/es/quicktime/download/ (Spanish)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:20:43 +0200
>>>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/10-2005, at 10.48, christian stehle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And provide a download link of Quicktime to apple's localized
>>>>> download
>>>>> pages (could be implemented to the current localized wwp pages
>>>>>
> very
>
>>>>> fast I think), like
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/de/quicktime/download/ (German)
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/fr/quicktime/download/ (French)
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/es/quicktime/download/ (Spanish)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only the french download page is in French.
>>>> Just the headline is in German and Spanish
>>>>
>>>> Same for the standalone player.
>>>>
>>>> I could perhaps see an idea in it if we had a lot of japanese
>>>>
> viewers
>
>>>> I believe french and japanese are the only download pages which
>>>>
> uses
>
>>>> local language.
>>>> http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/download/standalone.html
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans Nyberg
>>>> commercial photographer
>>>> hans nyberg fotografi
>>>> hasselvej 6 DK-8550 ryomgaard denmark
>>>> <http://www.hans-nyberg.dk>
>>>> <http://www.qtvr.dk>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.panoramas.dk> Panoramas.dk - Features Fullscreen
>>>>
> QTVR
>
>>>> email: #removed#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:35:03 +0100
>>>> From: Richard Crowest <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: optimal viewer size
>>>>
>>>> Like Bruce, I've been following the debate about resolution
>>>>
> and
>
>>>> viewer size
>>>> with interest, but also with a bit of confusion. Troy, I have
>>>>
> a
>
>>>> suspicion
>>>> that what you're striving for is something that you can't
>>>>
> actually
>
>>>> achieve.
>>>> I'll explain why I think that, but there are many people on
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> list who
>>>> know a darn site more about this whole subject than I do, so
>>>> please correct
>>>> any mistakes or invalid assumptions I make.
>>>>
>>>> Troy, in your message on 29 September you said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now, "if" I wanted to keep the maximum angular resolution my
>>>>>
> lens
>
>>>>> can
>>>>> produce the Equirectangular Spherical image would need to be
>>>>>
> 7272
>
>>>>> wide. Quite large.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now I have this 4000x2000 Equirectangular Spherical image
>>>>>
> and I
>
>>>>> want to display it at the images angular resolution of 11.1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From my point of view, I think you're looking at this problem
>>>>
> back
>
>>>> to front.
>>>> For example, if I print a digital photo, I don't start by
>>>>
> thinking
>
>>>> "how big
>>>> do I need to print this to reproduce every pixel in the image
>>>>
> file?".
>
>>>> Instead, I think "how high do I need the resolution of the
>>>>
> image
>
>>>> file to be
>>>> to print a good quality image at the size I want?". With
>>>> panoramas, what I
>>>> want to achieve is a high-quality rendering of the panorama at
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> field of
>>>> view that gives a pleasing framing of the image and at the
>>>>
> window
>
>>>> size I'm
>>>> trying to achieve.
>>>>
>>>> In both these cases, it's surely always best to start with as
>>>>
> much
>
>>>> resolution as (a) your equipment will produce and (b) you can
>>>>
> process
>
>>>> without causing your computer to grind to an inelegant halt.
>>>>
>>>> Bear in mind that, when viewing a panorama, the original image
>>>>
> has
>
>>>> already
>>>> been through a minimum of two remappings (three if you're using
>>>>
> a
>
>>>> cubic QTVR
>>>> projection):
>>>>
>>>> 1) The original photo is remapped to remove the lens
>>>>
> distortion
>
>>>> and enable
>>>> it to be stitched into a cylindrical or equirectangular image.
>>>>
>>>> 2) The cylinder (or equirectangular image in PTViewer, for
>>>> example) is
>>>> projected onto a virtual 3-D cylinder (or sphere) within the
>>>>
> frame
>
>>>> of the
>>>> viewer.
>>>>
>>>> 3) If you use cubic QTVR, the equirectangular image is first
>>>> remapped onto
>>>> the six cube faces, and these images are mapped onto a virtual
>>>>
> 3-D
>
>>>> cube in
>>>> the viewer. (It would be possible to avoid this extra step if
>>>>
> you
>
>>>> could
>>>> shoot two 180-degree fisheye images perfectly in line, then
>>>> process them
>>>> with Ken Turkowski's DeFish and join the sides together, but
>>>>
> alas
>
>>>> I haven't
>>>> found a pano head that's up to that job yet...)
>>>>
>>>> All of these remappings involve interpolation (by which I mean
>>>> changing the
>>>> pixel map such that some of the new pixels will be based on an
>>>> average of
>>>> some of the old ones). The original pixels you shot with your
>>>> digital camera
>>>> never make it to the viewer window.
>>>>
>>>> Now, think about looking at a cylindrical QTVR. The part in
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> centre of
>>>> the frame is parallel to you, so if the viewer was displaying
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> same
>>>> angular resolution as the cylindrical image, you would indeed
>>>>
> have
>
>>>> a 1:1
>>>> pixel ratio in the very centre of the viewer. But as you move
>>>> towards the
>>>> edges, the cylinder is curving around you, so you're
>>>>
> effectively
>
>>>> looking at
>>>> the image at an angle. There's remapping and interpolation
>>>>
> going
>
>>>> on, though
>>>> you're not aware of it. The only way to avoid this is to turn
>>>>
> off
>
>>>> the QTVR
>>>> correction, in which case you lose any sense of space, and
>>>>
> you're
>
>>>> just
>>>> scrolling a flat photograph behind the viewer frame.
>>>>
>>>> It's even easier to envisage the situation with a cubic QTVR.
>>>>
> If
>
>>>> you have
>>>> one of the cube faces parallel to you, fine. But now pan
>>>>
> through
>
>>>> 45 degrees
>>>> - you're looking into a corner of the cube, so the images
>>>>
> you're
>
>>>> seeing are
>>>> both at 45 degrees to you, and being heavily remapped and
>>>> interpolated.
>>>>
>>>> Ken, in your message on 2 October you said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> These make it easier to determine an "optimum" presentation,
>>>>>
> when
>
>>>>> used
>>>>> in conjunction with the other calculators. In particular, if
>>>>>
> you
>
>>>>> deteRmine the angular resolution of a panorama with
>>>>>
>>>>>
> http://www.worldserver.com/turk/quicktimevr/panores.html#PanoRes
>
>>>>> you can use this to help determine the window height or FOV
>>>>>
> so
>
>>>>> that the
>>>>> resolution of the window equals that of the panorama (i.e. 1:1
>>>>> zooming).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I notice you put the word "optimum" in inverted commas. Would I
>>>>
> be
>
>>>> right in
>>>> thinking that you mean the optimum balance between image
>>>>
> quality
>
>>>> and file
>>>> size - i.e. a view that presents all the detail available in
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> source
>>>> image, but if you were to zoom in you'd force the QTVR system
>>>>
> to
>
>>>> interpolate
>>>> pixels that aren't there in the original? In other words, you
>>>>
> can
>
>>>> use this
>>>> calculator to choose the maximum window size or minimum FOV for
>>>>
> your
>
>>>> panorama that will make use of the image data you have
>>>>
> available.
>
>>>>
>>>> What I'm getting at in all this is that I've never created a
>>>>
> QTVR
>
>>>> that looks
>>>> great at one zoom setting, but then suddenly degrades if I
>>>>
> zoom
>
>>>> OUT a bit.
>>>> In fact, I find higher resolution panos tend to look better
>>>>
> while
>
>>>> panning -
>>>> they seem to suffer less from the curved lines in the viewer
>>>> window caused
>>>> by the remapping, but that's only my subjective opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I think I'm arguing for getting as much resolution as
>>>>
> you
>
>>>> can into
>>>> the permitted file size. Then choose the field of view that
>>>>
> gives
>
>>>> you the
>>>> best sense of 'being there'. If there's 'spare' resolution in
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> image, the
>>>> viewer will be able to zoom in, but the default view won't
>>>>
> suffer.
>
>>>>
>>>> I'm no expert, but I've tried to set things out as they seem
>>>>
> to
>
>>>> make sense
>>>> to me. Now dive in and put me straight!
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:56:50 -0000
>>>> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>
>>>> hmm, your server may be down?
>>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:45:58 -0000
>>>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>>
>>>> Hola Christian:
>>>>
>>>> yes, power failure all night long...
>>>> just starting all the machines right now...
>>>> hope you can see the pano...
>>>>
>>>> Saludos, Gerardo
>>>>
>>>> --- In #removed#, "christian stehle" <#removed#>
>>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gerardo,
>>>>>
>>>>> hmm, your server may be down?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:01:22 -0000
>>>> From: "Richard Crowest" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope; plus: please check my
>>>>
> contribution
>
>>>>
>>>> --- In #removed#, Gerardo S?nchez <#removed#>
>>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here is my contribution: "Inside a Telescope"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amazing. Quite apart from the quality of the photography,
>>>>
> there's
>
>>>> that
>>>> tantalizing "how did he do that" aspect to the whole thing. How
>>>>
> did
>
>>>> you light it, Gerardo?
>>>>
>>>> I love the metalwork - despite the high-tech CCDs, the battered
>>>>
> metal
>
>>>> gives it the air of something from a 1950s sci-fi movie.
>>>>
>>>> I've finalised my contribution now - if anyone has a chance to
>>>> look at
>>>> it, could they confirm that the sound is working for them?
>>>>
> There are
>
>>>> four hotspots that trigger sounds when clicked - some of the
>>>>
> sounds
>
>>>> are fairly quiet. Small and full-screen versions are both on my
>>>>
> site,
>
>>>> to save the prep server:
>>>>
>>>> http://corvidae.co.uk/panoramas/fudge.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:55:40 -0700
>>>> From: "Bo" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Password Retrival
>>>>
>>>> Guys, (maybe Marcus in particular?)
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I seem to forget my user Id and password
>>>>
> between
>
>>>> each shoot,
>>>> is there a simple way to retrive this...?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely Bo Lorentzen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:57:48 +0200
>>>> From: Bernhard Vogl <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>>
>>>> Hello Gerardo
>>>>
>>>> This is an amazing view. Would you like to tell something about
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> diameter of the tube where you shot the pano? It looks as if
>>>>
> you
>
>>>> used a
>>>> flash inside - no problems for the mounted CCD's?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Bernhard
>>>>
>>>> Gerardo S?nchez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
>>>>>
>>>>> (It is at the WWP preparation server too)
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos, Gerardo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:03:01 -0700
>>>> From: G. Donald Bain <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: back again
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone. I returned from my field trip late Sunday
>>>>
> night, and
>
>>>> have since been catching up on work (and sleep).
>>>>
>>>> I am glad to see that the WWP is flying very well on auto-
>>>>
> pilot.
>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> to everyone who has helped answer questions and solve problems.
>>>>
>>>> Three more days to prepare your panorama and submit to the
>>>>
> site. Be
>
>>>> sure to write a good caption explaining what, where, and why,
>>>>
> and if
>
>>>> necessary how it relates to the theme of "energy".
>>>>
>>>> Also, make a fullscreen version if you possibly can.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: yuval levy <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>>
>>>> --- christian stehle <#removed#> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It would be ok to have an international english
>>>>> version and then one
>>>>> additional version in the photographer's native
>>>>> language (as option only maybe).
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that it is also useful to link to the
>>>>> localized Quicktime
>>>>> Download pages instead to the english version only .
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> from the replies I read to your request it seems that
>>>> everybody focused only on the QuickTime download
>>>> page...
>>>>
>>>> I think proper localization would be an asset, but it
>>>> requires careful thinking/planning and a lot of
>>>> sleepless nights for Markus. Site reengineering.
>>>>
>>>> Localization means the user interface (navigation,
>>>> explanations, etc.) in multiple languages. The default
>>>> language should be auto-negotiated by the webserver (I
>>>> assume it is Apache) based on the HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
>>>> that is supported by most if not all current browsers,
>>>> with a default language English. Do not use IP
>>>> addresses / geolocation to determine language, it will
>>>> only irritate the viewer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far for the easy part. The difficult part is a
>>>> database re-engineering on the prep server: each text
>>>> field should be attached with a language code and
>>>> rather than having just one text field, the
>>>> photographer should have one mandated (English) and
>>>> one or more additionals in whatever language he or she
>>>> wants to write. Then the prep server could generate
>>>> multiple localized versions of the wwp site, making
>>>> use of the default page there where the language has
>>>> not been provided by the photographer.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, from a usability perspective, a
>>>> "perpendicular links" among sites of these localized
>>>> versions should be added, i.e. link from a page in
>>>> English to its translation in the other languages.
>>>>
>>>> Since the wwp production server is static, all of
>>>> these pages would have to be generated and stored, so
>>>> add one additional language = double the size of the
>>>> HTML files. Does the server have the ressources for
>>>> that?
>>>>
>>>> Probably it is possible to reuse the same media files
>>>> (QuickTimes, thumbnails and other images, sound) for
>>>> all languages. If not, this will add additional
>>>> requirements and probably also manual work, which
>>>> should be avoided. Some compromise will be required.
>>>>
>>>> Is a localzation effort important? in my opinion, to
>>>> be truly _worldwide_ yes. I guess in your opinion too.
>>>> But based on the replies to this thread so far, it
>>>> seems to me that there is not much interest for the
>>>> topic. Or maybe everybody is just busy finalizing
>>>> their entries?
>>>>
>>>> Yuv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:17 -0700
>>>> From: Uri Cogan <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>>
>>>> Yuval wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So far for the easy part. The difficult part is a
>>>>> database re-engineering on the prep server: each text
>>>>> field should be attached with a language code and
>>>>> rather than having just one text field, the
>>>>> photographer should have one mandated (English) and
>>>>> one or more additionals in whatever language he or she
>>>>> wants to write. Then the prep server could generate
>>>>> multiple localized versions of the wwp site, making
>>>>> use of the default page there where the language has
>>>>> not been provided by the photographer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but the whole thing can become a can of worms when it
>>>>
> comes to
>
>>>> non-European languages, particularly those that go right-to-
>>>>
> left like
>
>>>> Hebrew and Arabic. For Hebrew for example there exist several
>>>> encoding schemes, but some browser/platform combinations can't
>>>> display the language at all. Microsoft's Internet Explorer on
>>>>
> the Mac
>
>>>> for instance, will not display Hebrew no matter what character
>>>> encoding is used.
>>>>
>>>> When creating certain web pages I found it useful to display all
>>>> Hebrew text as graphics, but this approach may not be suitable
>>>>
> for
>
>>>> complex pages, and re-editing such text becomes impossible.
>>>> --
>>>> Uri Cogan
>>>> http://www.uricogan.com
>>>>
>>>> Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:32:14 +0200
>>>> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/10-2005, at 1.51, yuval levy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --- christian stehle <#removed#> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be ok to have an international english
>>>>>> version and then one
>>>>>> additional version in the photographer's native
>>>>>> language (as option only maybe).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that it is also useful to link to the
>>>>>> localized Quicktime
>>>>>> Download pages instead to the english version only .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but with so many languages involved I think this is a
>>>>
> very
>
>>>> difficult issue.
>>>>
>>>> If you want your own page to be also in your own language why
>>>>
> do you
>
>>>> not make one on your own site.
>>>> Or write the caption short in both languages.
>>>> I am sure no one has anything against that.
>>>>
>>>> What can be of importance for you is to use keywords in your own
>>>> language in the title.
>>>> I have used that since WWP started. This can put you at the top
>>>>
> of
>
>>>> Google.
>>>> For example you can find my bridge as No 1 for "Lang?-broerne"
>>>> And the marketplace as No 2 for "Str?get Aarhus"
>>>>
>>>> My first is Posk?r Stenhus and it is also NO 1.
>>>> And 2 and 3 and 4
>>>> because I crossslink it to my own site.
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans Nyberg
>>>> commercial photographer
>>>> hans nyberg fotografi
>>>> hasselvej 6 DK-8550 ryomgaard denmark
>>>> <http://www.hans-nyberg.dk>
>>>> <http://www.qtvr.dk>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.panoramas.dk> Panoramas.dk - Features Fullscreen
>>>>
> QTVR
>
>>>> email: #removed#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:18:56 -0000
>>>> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
>>>>
>>>> Hi again...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> tantalizing "how did he do that" aspect to the whole thing.
>>>>>
> How did
>
>>>>> you light it, Gerardo?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you can image there are no lights inside the telescope!
>>>> When you close the door there is really dark in there.
>>>> I used a hand-held lamp behind the camera with a 60 wats
>>>> light bulb (I like the "warm Sun" feeling it has). The problem
>>>> here is I need to be sure every shadow has a coincidence
>>>> at the same place for every shoot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I love the metalwork - despite the high-tech CCDs, the battered
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> metal gives it the air of something from a 1950s sci-fi movie.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is!! Telescope was build in 1955 by Askania in
>>>> Germany. Optics is still "best of the best", the optic
>>>> detector for that time was glass photographic plates
>>>> 45 centimeters long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Would you like to tell something about the
>>>>> diameter of the tube where you shot the pano?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The aperture of the telescope is 1 meter, the mirror
>>>> is 1.5 meter.. so maybe around 1.20 (?) at the place
>>>> where the tripode was. You can be inside... as the
>>>> "Hunchback of Notre Dame" but you can be...
>>>> The big problem was that the telescope, at rest position,
>>>> is not horizontal it is something as 15? inclined, so keep
>>>> the tripode stand there and move the camera by
>>>> hand in the mirror-camera plane direction was
>>>> not easy...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It looks as if you used a
>>>>> flash inside - no problems for the mounted CCD's?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No flash... any how in that case it is not
>>>> bad for the CCDs... If the camera is "on" and you
>>>> light in there you only need be sure you will make a
>>>> good CCDs clear out (several bias frames)
>>>> before any astronomic image.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Gerardo S?nchez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (It is at the WWP preparation server too)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saludos, Gerardo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:37:03 -0000
>>>> From: "northwest_omnipresence" <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Best of?
>>>>
>>>> I am jumping the gun here, i know, but participating in this
>>>>
> event
>
>>>> has
>>>> me feeling giddy, and now I see that the December Solstice
>>>>
> event is a
>
>>>> best of 2005.
>>>>
>>>> I know that details will eventually be posted (as was the case
>>>>
> with
>
>>>> this event, and i am sure as with the others) on the wwp
>>>>
> website,
>
>>>> but "best of" conveys to me a sense of looking back at past
>>>>
> events.
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 15
>>>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:54:11 +0200
>>>> From: Thomas Mottl <#removed#>
>>>> Subject: Re: Best of?
>>>>
>>>> Your best QTVR out of 2005, your theme, your choice, so there
>>>>
> is no
>
>>>> looking back at past events
>>>> You must have taken part at one wwp event to qualify for the
>>>>
> best of
>
>>>> 2005
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>> On 06.10.2005, at 07:37, northwest_omnipresence wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am jumping the gun here, i know, but participating in this
>>>>> event has
>>>>> me feeling giddy, and now I see that the December Solstice
>>>>>
> event
>
>>>>> is a
>>>>> best of 2005.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that details will eventually be posted (as was the case
>>>>>
> with
>
>>>>> this event, and i am sure as with the others) on the wwp
>>>>>
> website,
>
>>>>> but "best of" conveys to me a sense of looking back at past
>>>>>
> events.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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