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Re: devalVR option?
tflyfish2002 2005-Oct-06 19:10:00
If you do not use Active X then for the same reasons you do not use
Java. In which case you will never be able to see a Pano unless you
install QuickTime. Fortunately not every one else is like you.
Please do not take offence, I feel the same way although I download
most active x controls and let my spyware and anti-virus system
protect me.
Barry
--- In #removed#, Thomas Mottl <#removed#> wrote:
> I am against it!
> Why?
> 1. The plug in did not install on my PC, get an error message that
it
> is no win32 application, get a warning message that it is not
digital
> signed and so suspicious also I never use Active X, for security
> reasons.
> 2. You want that there is a entire 2nd site for the devalvr ACTIVE
X
> plug in or
> 3. You want that in the future only Windows users have access to
the
> WWP if you are denying point 2
> 4. If 2 is true than why not a entire extra site for the pangea
plug
> in, for flash, for java for..you name it?
> also I deeply believe, that when somebody is interested in the
> project he will download Quicktime as he will also look at the
> fullscreen pictures, so I am happy as it is now.
> My 2 cents
> Thomas
>
>
> On 06.10.2005, at 11:33, jeffrey wrote:
>
>
>
> > On the subject of the "disaster" 32mb quicktime/itunes
download....
> >
> > Now that devalVR has a very decent 206k QTVR plugin, would it be
> > possible for users to have the choice of downloading this
plugin? I
> > would imagine there are others like me, with a crappy gsm (or
dialup)
> > connection, where a 32mb download is just never going to happen.
> >
> > example of html code:
> > http://www.devalvr.com/instalacion/htmlcode.txt (replacing the
> > filename).
> >
> > Install the plugin here: http://ww.devalvr.com/install
> > The player: http://www.devalvr.com/descargas/dps/player.zip
> >
> > I'm happy that his guy has given us a choice for playing our
qtvr's,
> > it's just a question of whether it's possible to easily
implement it
> > in an existing website.....
> >
> > jeff
> >
> >
> > On 6 Oct 2005 08:11:24 -0000, #removed#
> > <#removed#> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> There are 15 messages in this issue.
> >>
> >> Topics in this digest:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
> >> 2. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
> >> 3. Re: optimal viewer size
> >> From: Richard Crowest <#removed#>
> >> 4. Re: Inside a Telescope
> >> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
> >> 5. Re: Inside a Telescope
> >> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
> >> 6. Re: Inside a Telescope; plus: please check my
contribution
> >> From: "Richard Crowest" <#removed#>
> >> 7. Password Retrival
> >> From: "Bo" <#removed#>
> >> 8. Re: Inside a Telescope
> >> From: Bernhard Vogl <#removed#>
> >> 9. back again
> >> From: G. Donald Bain <#removed#>
> >> 10. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >> From: yuval levy <#removed#>
> >> 11. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >> From: Uri Cogan <#removed#>
> >> 12. Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
> >> 13. Re: Inside a Telescope
> >> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
> >> 14. Best of?
> >> From: "northwest_omnipresence"
> >> <#removed#>
> >> 15. Re: Best of?
> >> From: Thomas Mottl <#removed#>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:48:39 -0000
> >> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >>
> >> no.. I think it could be improved to become a true global
experience.
> >>
> >> I think that everybody should have the option to have their
own
> >> profile
> >> and image description in their own native language.
> >>
> >> And provide a download link of Quicktime to apple's localized
> >> download
> >> pages (could be implemented to the current localized wwp pages
very
> >> fast I think), like
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/de/quicktime/download/ (German)
> >> http://www.apple.com/fr/quicktime/download/ (French)
> >> http://www.apple.com/es/quicktime/download/ (Spanish)
> >>
> >>
> >> Christian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:20:43 +0200
> >> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/10-2005, at 10.48, christian stehle wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> And provide a download link of Quicktime to apple's localized
> >>> download
> >>> pages (could be implemented to the current localized wwp pages
very
> >>> fast I think), like
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apple.com/de/quicktime/download/ (German)
> >>> http://www.apple.com/fr/quicktime/download/ (French)
> >>> http://www.apple.com/es/quicktime/download/ (Spanish)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Only the french download page is in French.
> >> Just the headline is in German and Spanish
> >>
> >> Same for the standalone player.
> >>
> >> I could perhaps see an idea in it if we had a lot of japanese
viewers
> >> I believe french and japanese are the only download pages which
uses
> >> local language.
> >> http://www.apple.com/jp/quicktime/download/standalone.html
> >>
> >> Hans
> >>
> >>
> >> Hans Nyberg
> >> commercial photographer
> >> hans nyberg fotografi
> >> hasselvej 6 DK-8550 ryomgaard denmark
> >> <http://www.hans-nyberg.dk>
> >> <http://www.qtvr.dk>
> >>
> >> <http://www.panoramas.dk> Panoramas.dk - Features Fullscreen
QTVR
> >> email: #removed#
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:35:03 +0100
> >> From: Richard Crowest <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: optimal viewer size
> >>
> >> Like Bruce, I've been following the debate about resolution
and
> >> viewer size
> >> with interest, but also with a bit of confusion. Troy, I have
a
> >> suspicion
> >> that what you're striving for is something that you can't
actually
> >> achieve.
> >> I'll explain why I think that, but there are many people on
the
> >> list who
> >> know a darn site more about this whole subject than I do, so
> >> please correct
> >> any mistakes or invalid assumptions I make.
> >>
> >> Troy, in your message on 29 September you said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Now, "if" I wanted to keep the maximum angular resolution my
lens
> >>> can
> >>> produce the Equirectangular Spherical image would need to be
7272
> >>> wide. Quite large.
> >>>
> >>> So now I have this 4000x2000 Equirectangular Spherical image
and I
> >>> want to display it at the images angular resolution of 11.1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> From my point of view, I think you're looking at this problem
back
> >> to front.
> >> For example, if I print a digital photo, I don't start by
thinking
> >> "how big
> >> do I need to print this to reproduce every pixel in the image
file?".
> >> Instead, I think "how high do I need the resolution of the
image
> >> file to be
> >> to print a good quality image at the size I want?". With
> >> panoramas, what I
> >> want to achieve is a high-quality rendering of the panorama at
the
> >> field of
> >> view that gives a pleasing framing of the image and at the
window
> >> size I'm
> >> trying to achieve.
> >>
> >> In both these cases, it's surely always best to start with as
much
> >> resolution as (a) your equipment will produce and (b) you can
process
> >> without causing your computer to grind to an inelegant halt.
> >>
> >> Bear in mind that, when viewing a panorama, the original image
has
> >> already
> >> been through a minimum of two remappings (three if you're using
a
> >> cubic QTVR
> >> projection):
> >>
> >> 1) The original photo is remapped to remove the lens
distortion
> >> and enable
> >> it to be stitched into a cylindrical or equirectangular image.
> >>
> >> 2) The cylinder (or equirectangular image in PTViewer, for
> >> example) is
> >> projected onto a virtual 3-D cylinder (or sphere) within the
frame
> >> of the
> >> viewer.
> >>
> >> 3) If you use cubic QTVR, the equirectangular image is first
> >> remapped onto
> >> the six cube faces, and these images are mapped onto a virtual
3-D
> >> cube in
> >> the viewer. (It would be possible to avoid this extra step if
you
> >> could
> >> shoot two 180-degree fisheye images perfectly in line, then
> >> process them
> >> with Ken Turkowski's DeFish and join the sides together, but
alas
> >> I haven't
> >> found a pano head that's up to that job yet...)
> >>
> >> All of these remappings involve interpolation (by which I mean
> >> changing the
> >> pixel map such that some of the new pixels will be based on an
> >> average of
> >> some of the old ones). The original pixels you shot with your
> >> digital camera
> >> never make it to the viewer window.
> >>
> >> Now, think about looking at a cylindrical QTVR. The part in
the
> >> centre of
> >> the frame is parallel to you, so if the viewer was displaying
the
> >> same
> >> angular resolution as the cylindrical image, you would indeed
have
> >> a 1:1
> >> pixel ratio in the very centre of the viewer. But as you move
> >> towards the
> >> edges, the cylinder is curving around you, so you're
effectively
> >> looking at
> >> the image at an angle. There's remapping and interpolation
going
> >> on, though
> >> you're not aware of it. The only way to avoid this is to turn
off
> >> the QTVR
> >> correction, in which case you lose any sense of space, and
you're
> >> just
> >> scrolling a flat photograph behind the viewer frame.
> >>
> >> It's even easier to envisage the situation with a cubic QTVR.
If
> >> you have
> >> one of the cube faces parallel to you, fine. But now pan
through
> >> 45 degrees
> >> - you're looking into a corner of the cube, so the images
you're
> >> seeing are
> >> both at 45 degrees to you, and being heavily remapped and
> >> interpolated.
> >>
> >> Ken, in your message on 2 October you said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> These make it easier to determine an "optimum" presentation,
when
> >>> used
> >>> in conjunction with the other calculators. In particular, if
you
> >>> deteRmine the angular resolution of a panorama with
> >>>
http://www.worldserver.com/turk/quicktimevr/panores.html#PanoRes
> >>> you can use this to help determine the window height or FOV
so
> >>> that the
> >>> resolution of the window equals that of the panorama (i.e. 1:1
> >>> zooming).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I notice you put the word "optimum" in inverted commas. Would I
be
> >> right in
> >> thinking that you mean the optimum balance between image
quality
> >> and file
> >> size - i.e. a view that presents all the detail available in
the
> >> source
> >> image, but if you were to zoom in you'd force the QTVR system
to
> >> interpolate
> >> pixels that aren't there in the original? In other words, you
can
> >> use this
> >> calculator to choose the maximum window size or minimum FOV for
your
> >> panorama that will make use of the image data you have
available.
> >>
> >> What I'm getting at in all this is that I've never created a
QTVR
> >> that looks
> >> great at one zoom setting, but then suddenly degrades if I
zoom
> >> OUT a bit.
> >> In fact, I find higher resolution panos tend to look better
while
> >> panning -
> >> they seem to suffer less from the curved lines in the viewer
> >> window caused
> >> by the remapping, but that's only my subjective opinion.
> >>
> >> Finally, I think I'm arguing for getting as much resolution as
you
> >> can into
> >> the permitted file size. Then choose the field of view that
gives
> >> you the
> >> best sense of 'being there'. If there's 'spare' resolution in
the
> >> image, the
> >> viewer will be able to zoom in, but the default view won't
suffer.
> >>
> >> I'm no expert, but I've tried to set things out as they seem
to
> >> make sense
> >> to me. Now dive in and put me straight!
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ___________________________________________________________
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:56:50 -0000
> >> From: "christian stehle" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
> >>
> >> Hi Gerardo,
> >>
> >> hmm, your server may be down?
> >>
> >> Christian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:45:58 -0000
> >> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
> >>
> >> Hola Christian:
> >>
> >> yes, power failure all night long...
> >> just starting all the machines right now...
> >> hope you can see the pano...
> >>
> >> Saludos, Gerardo
> >>
> >> --- In #removed#, "christian stehle" <#removed#>
wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Gerardo,
> >>>
> >>> hmm, your server may be down?
> >>>
> >>> Christian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:01:22 -0000
> >> From: "Richard Crowest" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope; plus: please check my
contribution
> >>
> >> --- In #removed#, Gerardo S?nchez <#removed#>
wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Here is my contribution: "Inside a Telescope"
> >>>
> >>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Amazing. Quite apart from the quality of the photography,
there's
> >> that
> >> tantalizing "how did he do that" aspect to the whole thing. How
did
> >> you light it, Gerardo?
> >>
> >> I love the metalwork - despite the high-tech CCDs, the battered
metal
> >> gives it the air of something from a 1950s sci-fi movie.
> >>
> >> I've finalised my contribution now - if anyone has a chance to
> >> look at
> >> it, could they confirm that the sound is working for them?
There are
> >> four hotspots that trigger sounds when clicked - some of the
sounds
> >> are fairly quiet. Small and full-screen versions are both on my
site,
> >> to save the prep server:
> >>
> >> http://corvidae.co.uk/panoramas/fudge.html
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:55:40 -0700
> >> From: "Bo" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Password Retrival
> >>
> >> Guys, (maybe Marcus in particular?)
> >>
> >> For some reason I seem to forget my user Id and password
between
> >> each shoot,
> >> is there a simple way to retrive this...?
> >>
> >> Sincerely Bo Lorentzen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> Message: 8
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:57:48 +0200
> >> From: Bernhard Vogl <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
> >>
> >> Hello Gerardo
> >>
> >> This is an amazing view. Would you like to tell something about
the
> >> diameter of the tube where you shot the pano? It looks as if
you
> >> used a
> >> flash inside - no problems for the mounted CCD's?
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Bernhard
> >>
> >> Gerardo S?nchez wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
> >>>
> >>> (It is at the WWP preparation server too)
> >>>
> >>> Saludos, Gerardo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:03:01 -0700
> >> From: G. Donald Bain <#removed#>
> >> Subject: back again
> >>
> >> Hello everyone. I returned from my field trip late Sunday
night, and
> >> have since been catching up on work (and sleep).
> >>
> >> I am glad to see that the WWP is flying very well on auto-
pilot.
> >> Thanks
> >> to everyone who has helped answer questions and solve problems.
> >>
> >> Three more days to prepare your panorama and submit to the
site. Be
> >> sure to write a good caption explaining what, where, and why,
and if
> >> necessary how it relates to the theme of "energy".
> >>
> >> Also, make a fullscreen version if you possibly can.
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: yuval levy <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >>
> >> --- christian stehle <#removed#> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> It would be ok to have an international english
> >>> version and then one
> >>> additional version in the photographer's native
> >>> language (as option only maybe).
> >>>
> >>> I think that it is also useful to link to the
> >>> localized Quicktime
> >>> Download pages instead to the english version only .
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Christian,
> >>
> >> from the replies I read to your request it seems that
> >> everybody focused only on the QuickTime download
> >> page...
> >>
> >> I think proper localization would be an asset, but it
> >> requires careful thinking/planning and a lot of
> >> sleepless nights for Markus. Site reengineering.
> >>
> >> Localization means the user interface (navigation,
> >> explanations, etc.) in multiple languages. The default
> >> language should be auto-negotiated by the webserver (I
> >> assume it is Apache) based on the HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
> >> that is supported by most if not all current browsers,
> >> with a default language English. Do not use IP
> >> addresses / geolocation to determine language, it will
> >> only irritate the viewer.
> >>
> >>
> >> So far for the easy part. The difficult part is a
> >> database re-engineering on the prep server: each text
> >> field should be attached with a language code and
> >> rather than having just one text field, the
> >> photographer should have one mandated (English) and
> >> one or more additionals in whatever language he or she
> >> wants to write. Then the prep server could generate
> >> multiple localized versions of the wwp site, making
> >> use of the default page there where the language has
> >> not been provided by the photographer.
> >>
> >> Additionally, from a usability perspective, a
> >> "perpendicular links" among sites of these localized
> >> versions should be added, i.e. link from a page in
> >> English to its translation in the other languages.
> >>
> >> Since the wwp production server is static, all of
> >> these pages would have to be generated and stored, so
> >> add one additional language = double the size of the
> >> HTML files. Does the server have the ressources for
> >> that?
> >>
> >> Probably it is possible to reuse the same media files
> >> (QuickTimes, thumbnails and other images, sound) for
> >> all languages. If not, this will add additional
> >> requirements and probably also manual work, which
> >> should be avoided. Some compromise will be required.
> >>
> >> Is a localzation effort important? in my opinion, to
> >> be truly _worldwide_ yes. I guess in your opinion too.
> >> But based on the replies to this thread so far, it
> >> seems to me that there is not much interest for the
> >> topic. Or maybe everybody is just busy finalizing
> >> their entries?
> >>
> >> Yuv
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 11
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:29:17 -0700
> >> From: Uri Cogan <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >>
> >> Yuval wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> So far for the easy part. The difficult part is a
> >>> database re-engineering on the prep server: each text
> >>> field should be attached with a language code and
> >>> rather than having just one text field, the
> >>> photographer should have one mandated (English) and
> >>> one or more additionals in whatever language he or she
> >>> wants to write. Then the prep server could generate
> >>> multiple localized versions of the wwp site, making
> >>> use of the default page there where the language has
> >>> not been provided by the photographer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, but the whole thing can become a can of worms when it
comes to
> >> non-European languages, particularly those that go right-to-
left like
> >> Hebrew and Arabic. For Hebrew for example there exist several
> >> encoding schemes, but some browser/platform combinations can't
> >> display the language at all. Microsoft's Internet Explorer on
the Mac
> >> for instance, will not display Hebrew no matter what character
> >> encoding is used.
> >>
> >> When creating certain web pages I found it useful to display all
> >> Hebrew text as graphics, but this approach may not be suitable
for
> >> complex pages, and re-editing such text becomes impossible.
> >> --
> >> Uri Cogan
> >> http://www.uricogan.com
> >>
> >> Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 12
> >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:32:14 +0200
> >> From: Hans Nyberg <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: WWP Feature Request: Localization
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/10-2005, at 1.51, yuval levy wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- christian stehle <#removed#> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It would be ok to have an international english
> >>>> version and then one
> >>>> additional version in the photographer's native
> >>>> language (as option only maybe).
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that it is also useful to link to the
> >>>> localized Quicktime
> >>>> Download pages instead to the english version only .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Sorry but with so many languages involved I think this is a
very
> >> difficult issue.
> >>
> >> If you want your own page to be also in your own language why
do you
> >> not make one on your own site.
> >> Or write the caption short in both languages.
> >> I am sure no one has anything against that.
> >>
> >> What can be of importance for you is to use keywords in your own
> >> language in the title.
> >> I have used that since WWP started. This can put you at the top
of
> >> Google.
> >> For example you can find my bridge as No 1 for "Lang?-broerne"
> >> And the marketplace as No 2 for "Str?get Aarhus"
> >>
> >> My first is Posk?r Stenhus and it is also NO 1.
> >> And 2 and 3 and 4
> >> because I crossslink it to my own site.
> >>
> >> Hans
> >>
> >>
> >> Hans Nyberg
> >> commercial photographer
> >> hans nyberg fotografi
> >> hasselvej 6 DK-8550 ryomgaard denmark
> >> <http://www.hans-nyberg.dk>
> >> <http://www.qtvr.dk>
> >>
> >> <http://www.panoramas.dk> Panoramas.dk - Features Fullscreen
QTVR
> >> email: #removed#
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> Message: 13
> >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:18:56 -0000
> >> From: "gerardoant" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: Inside a Telescope
> >>
> >> Hi again...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> tantalizing "how did he do that" aspect to the whole thing.
How did
> >>> you light it, Gerardo?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> As you can image there are no lights inside the telescope!
> >> When you close the door there is really dark in there.
> >> I used a hand-held lamp behind the camera with a 60 wats
> >> light bulb (I like the "warm Sun" feeling it has). The problem
> >> here is I need to be sure every shadow has a coincidence
> >> at the same place for every shoot.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I love the metalwork - despite the high-tech CCDs, the battered
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> metal gives it the air of something from a 1950s sci-fi movie.
> >>
> >> Yes, it is!! Telescope was build in 1955 by Askania in
> >> Germany. Optics is still "best of the best", the optic
> >> detector for that time was glass photographic plates
> >> 45 centimeters long.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Would you like to tell something about the
> >>> diameter of the tube where you shot the pano?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> The aperture of the telescope is 1 meter, the mirror
> >> is 1.5 meter.. so maybe around 1.20 (?) at the place
> >> where the tripode was. You can be inside... as the
> >> "Hunchback of Notre Dame" but you can be...
> >> The big problem was that the telescope, at rest position,
> >> is not horizontal it is something as 15? inclined, so keep
> >> the tripode stand there and move the camera by
> >> hand in the mirror-camera plane direction was
> >> not easy...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> It looks as if you used a
> >>> flash inside - no problems for the mounted CCD's?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> No flash... any how in that case it is not
> >> bad for the CCDs... If the camera is "on" and you
> >> light in there you only need be sure you will make a
> >> good CCDs clear out (several bias frames)
> >> before any astronomic image.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gerardo S?nchez wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.cida.ve/~gerardo/qtvr/energia/energia.html
> >>>>
> >>>> (It is at the WWP preparation server too)
> >>>>
> >>>> Saludos, Gerardo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> ___
> >>
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> >> ___
> >>
> >> Message: 14
> >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:37:03 -0000
> >> From: "northwest_omnipresence" <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Best of?
> >>
> >> I am jumping the gun here, i know, but participating in this
event
> >> has
> >> me feeling giddy, and now I see that the December Solstice
event is a
> >> best of 2005.
> >>
> >> I know that details will eventually be posted (as was the case
with
> >> this event, and i am sure as with the others) on the wwp
website,
> >> but "best of" conveys to me a sense of looking back at past
events.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> ___
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> >> ___
> >>
> >> Message: 15
> >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:54:11 +0200
> >> From: Thomas Mottl <#removed#>
> >> Subject: Re: Best of?
> >>
> >> Your best QTVR out of 2005, your theme, your choice, so there
is no
> >> looking back at past events
> >> You must have taken part at one wwp event to qualify for the
best of
> >> 2005
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >> On 06.10.2005, at 07:37, northwest_omnipresence wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I am jumping the gun here, i know, but participating in this
> >>> event has
> >>> me feeling giddy, and now I see that the December Solstice
event
> >>> is a
> >>> best of 2005.
> >>>
> >>> I know that details will eventually be posted (as was the case
with
> >>> this event, and i am sure as with the others) on the wwp
website,
> >>> but "best of" conveys to me a sense of looking back at past
events.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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