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Re: Where is Slovenia?
Willy Kaemena 2008-Jun-17 11:12:00
Agreed...
On Jun 17, 2008, at 13:06, Bernhard Vogl wrote:
> Hi Willy,
>
> I know it is the wrong place to discuss this topic - but maybe it
> will lead to some interesting themes for the upcoming WWP events...?
>
> I agree with Bostjan that the people at the Krsko plant did the
> right thing: inform the respective instances about the problem, even
> if it doesn't affect the environment. They were human beings and
> they did it right.
> In Chernobyl, it was a human error which led to the catastrophy. And
> the tragic about this error is, that the system itself would have
> prevented the disaster if not arrogant employees would have
> overriden the automatic system security.
> I can only repeat that i'm not against nuclear power (as long as it
> works safely, it is better than millions of 2 stroke engines), but
> it is a bad and potential dangerous habit to hush about problems,
> especially when they turn out to be more dangerous than they look in
> the first place (see Forsmark)
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:43:54 +0200
> > Von: Willy Kaemena <#removed#>
> > An: #removed#
> > Betreff: Re: Where is Slovenia?
>
> > heheh it was an internal problem of the plant which could happen and
> > it is built to cope with that it has nothing to do with the
> > environment around our with other countries.. again if in the
> > petrochemical complex of Wien Schwechat a flange leaks and 5000
> > l crude oil is contaminating the soil, then we have an incident at
> > open air... but that nobody cares about...
> >
> > Because it is a "mysterical" nuclar driven powerplant then even if
> > the gardener cuts his finger when caring the flowers is already an
> > incident....
> >
> > That is the problem the unnecessary and wrong importance of whatever
> > happens. Things could fail, pumps fails, gasket fails etc as
> > long you have a backup system to cope with that, it is normal and no
> > incident. There are other "incidents" in the world only ONE example:
> > in New Dehli millions of 2 stroke engines are polluting the air with
> > oily stinky fumes, so that you cannot breathe anymore that I call an
> > daily incident but that nobody cares about.
> >
> > Willy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2008, at 12:12, Bernhard Vogl wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Willy,
> > >
> > > I suspect you are a little prejudiced? ;-)
> > > (As we say in German: "Wessen Brot ich ess', dessen Lied ich
> sing'")
> > >
> > > I have no fundamental problem with nuclear power plants, but:
> > > - it was an incident
> > > - the alarm system didn't work
> > > - It needs to be allowed to discuss and correct failing actual
> > > states if needed.
> > >
> > > Maybe Austrians are used to challenge open questions more
> actively?
> > > You know, we are the only country in the world which built a
> nuclear
> > > power plant and decided NOT to use it! :-)
> > >
> > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > Datum: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:45:05 +0200
> > > > Von: Willy Kaemena <#removed#>
> > > > An: #removed#
> > > > Betreff: Re: Where is Slovenia?
> > >
> > > > and what is the problem? no problem as there is the
> containment for
> > > > that purpose and the emergency feed systems made for that
> purpose. A
> > > > lot of noise for nothing.. only a bad message is a good message
> > > > ( Bild und Kronenzeitung...)
> > > > If you would know all little incidents in highly dangerous
> chemical
> > > > petro chemical industry it could fill books everyday... and they
> > > dont
> > > > have a containment or 4 different independent emergency
> systems..
> > > >
> > > > Willy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:22, Bernhard Vogl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry to correct you Willy, but this was a real incident.
> > > > > 3m? of wasted water per hour leaked:
> > > > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernkraftwerk_Kr%C5%A1ko
> > > > >
> > > > > It was accidentally misinterpreted by several members of the
> > > ECURIE
> > > > > warning system.
> > > > > No good sign if we ever have a catastrophic fault like
> > > > > Chernobyl... :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > > > > Datum: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:09:54 +0200
> > > > > > Von: Willy Kaemena <#removed#>
> > > > > > An: #removed#
> > > > > > Betreff: Re: Where is Slovenia?
> > > > >
> > > > > > well no wonder, because it was a false alarm a lot of
> noise for
> > > > > > nothing beside testing the european alarm system. If we
> would
> > > have
> > > > > > this for other industries then the papers had to print two
> more
> > > > > pages
> > > > > > daily..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Willy Kaemena
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